Renton & The Vale - 
The Making, Remaking, Unmaking and Breaking
(But the creation of the Scottish Game)
(with massive thanks to the incredible London Hearts Supporters Club archive)

Intro

In previous pieces on the SFHG web-site we have looked in greater depths at the history and, as it seems to turn out, the myths of not the foundations of modern football, because, contrary to some versions, it did not happen all in a one, but its "creation" over thirty to a hundred years, depending on stand-point and, sadly sometimes, prejudice. Those looks, with huge thanks to the top-quality research done by our colleagues in that city, have included the great role Sheffield played not just through the formulation of its own version of the game but also in the encouragement almost to the point of midwifery of the Association one at its London birth in 1863 and in its early, very rocky first half-dozen years. Also there have been the challenges to Sheffield's then role from 1870 and even to the idea that Association football began as a game of the Public Schools and upper-classes. In the former, as the full Association game began to prosper, not least with the arrival of it in 1871 to Scotland, the Yorkshire city's game first imploded, seemingly due to local politics and mismanagement, and over the best part of two decades struggled as it gradually subsumed it own take on kicking a specifically round ball into that of the London-based one. In the latter the facts seem to show that the Football Association in London was begun by well-to-do members of the upper middle-class, most of whom having not been anywhere near Eton etc. and was then infiltrated and usurped by the Public schools to be subsequently, and falsely, even distastefully claimed as their own.  

But closer to home there is a third area of football myth to challenge, that of the creation of Scottish football and more particularly the way that Scotland took to the game and then carried it forward. Here one team, Glasgow's Queen's Park, has been and is still often presented as both the Standard-Bearer and standard-maker, see the inexact gas-lighting by again Glasgow's Football Square Mile, when the reality is there were two more, both from the Vale of Leven, the valley of the Dunbartonshire River Leven so outwith Glasgow; they being Vale of Leven, F.C., "The Vale", from the parish of Bonhill and the town of Alexandria and just to the south from the parish of Cardross and the village of Renton, Renton F.C.. And, whilst we here at SFHG, because our approach aspires to be, first, neutral and, second national, have and will continue to look at the role of the Glasgow former, it is on the Leven latter that the four episodes of this piece concentrate.                          

Episode 1: The Making

So the story begins not in late but early 1872. In March Queen's Park, having from November 1871 received byes to the semi-final of the first London FA Challenge Cup, the FA Cup, travelled to London to face The Wanderers. The result was a draw and, with the visitors unable to finance travel to the replay, they had to default and the home team went on to take the trophy. 

Yet the one meeting that did take place tells us several things. The first is that, in order to take part Queen's Park had agreed a twofold acceptance; that Association football was a winter game and the London rules rather than its own would from now on apply. The second is two facts emerge, a) we know the Queen's Park team - Gardner, Edmiston, Hepburn, Ker, Leckie, J Smith, R. Smith, Taylor, Walker, Weir and Wotherspoon - and b) just now we do not know the formation. Moreover, we are also aware from contemporary source that, whilst the internationals between England and Scotland, now designated as unofficial, all of which had taken place also in London, the first in March 1870 and last just a month earlier, had had not inconsiderable Press-attention, this club-match generated still more but also actually not much on-field activity. A month later a single match - also a nil-nil draw - was played by Queen's Park against Granville, newly officially-formed just up a few hundred yards up the road at Myrtle Park. But that was it.

In fact the game after that was not to be until 28th August and the one after that on 19th October; initially against Airdrie, an emphatic 6-0 win, and then Granville once more, again a win, 4-0,. But there was a difference. In both cases we have the teams - Gardner, Wotherspoon, Taylor, Thomson, McKenzie, Leckie, Weir, Ker, McKinnon, Rae and then Thomson, Taylor, Gardner, Hepburn, Leckie, Weir, Wotherspoon, Grant, Rhind, McKinnon and Rae respectively with captain, Robert Gardiner, in the first playing in goal and in the second as a half-back. But crucially we also have the formations. In the second match Queen's Park seems to have played, as was the case with English teams of the era, 1-2-7 but in the former it had been a completely innovative 2-2-6, the same shape that was to be employed, in the penultimate encounter of the year, played now in Glasgow and the World's first official international.

Now at this point we have to wind back slightly. At some point still in 1872, said to have been in the Summer or Autumn but seemingly before December, Queen's Park, as part of its programme of demonstrating specifically the Association game and creating opponents had travelled to the valley of the Dunbartonshire Leven, specifically to the Park Neuk recreation-ground in Alexandria. No-one knows exactly when it was but Vale of Leven Football Club is said to have been formed on 20th August, suggesting, albeit as a longish shot, it may have been then with the possibility that it could even have been the source of the formational experimentation just a fortnight later. 

And the reason may well be Scotland's ancient game of shinty, now finally start-ing to achieve rightful recognition as an origin of ice-hockey and even golf. In the upper valley of the Leven, where the Orr Ewing brothers, Alexander and John, had in the 1830s founded their calico printing-works, employing often near-Highland labour, it had become the winter game. The first recorded shinty match between the two establishments had been in 1852. In 1870, so just two years before the visit of Queen's Park, 2,000 or so spectators are said to have come to the annual encounter. They and the young men on the field-of-play were thoroughly versed in the old game and its stands to reason that they would have approached the new one with it in mind. It is even said that when they were invited to take the field at Park Neuk to play against the Glasgow men first they did so in shinty formation.     

That said, even today with shinty formations differing between the north and south Highlands two things stand out as being not just potentially transferable but one hundred and fifty years ago actually transferred to the football field. The first is the block-four defence; what turns out to have been Queen's Park captain Gardner's perhaps novelty but one he might already have been aware of, picked up from the shinty he must have seen or even played in Glasgow, his home-town, or Paisley, that of his parents, but with the possibility it had on Park Neuk been noted for its effectiveness and adopted. The second is the vertical forward pairings.

Here the use of the words "perhaps novelty" should be explained. Reason one is it is well-documented that in the World's first official football international, played in Glasgow on 30th November 1872 between an England team and a Scottish one, captained by Robert Gardner and drawn mainly from Queen's Park, the English played 1-1-1-7 and we 2-2-6, i.e. the block-four. Reason two is   because on the 21st December 1872 The Vale travelled to Glasgow to Queen's Park for the first of four encounters over the rest of the 1872-3 season. Again we know the team - William Ker, Joe Taylor, David Wotherspoon, James Thomson, Jimmy Weir, Bob Leckie, Alex Rhind, Willie Mackinnon, Andrew Spiers, William Keay and Archie Rae but no Gardner - and that Queen's Park would win easily, 3-0 but just now have no formation. However, that would not be the case for the remaining three encounters and here is the crux. Queen's Park, even with Gardner back in the elevens as twice goalkeeper and then a forward, played 1-2-7 again twice and then 2-1-7. Yet their up-country opponents took the field on all three occasions as a 2-2-6 either because they were either very good and fast learners or because, it has to be said once more, it was what they already knew and, having passed it on once to be in the end ignored, wanted, whether deliberately or not, to ensure it was carried forward. 

In fact Queen's Park, after the third Vale match, two draws and a Queen's Park win, was that season to play just one more fixture, a home win, 1-0, over Glasgow Wanderers from this time just down the road in Cathcart. Moreover, it seems also to have been the last one for The Spiders for Bob Gardner. There was to be an extensive falling out, whether generated within the club or perhaps by international defeat in early March 1873 in London, where England played 1-1-2-6 and Scotland 2-2-6 once more, is unknown. But by October 1873 Gardner's friend, Wotherspoon, had moved the mile or so across to equally near neighbours, Clydesdale, to be joined later by Gardner himself. A J. Gardner plays at full-back on 15th November but that may simply a mistake in the initial. R. Gardner first plays between the sticks on 13th December, by when the Titwood Park club, having previously played English-style had adopted 2-2-6, as, whilst Vale continued with it, had Granville and another and still newer club was seen from the start to be using it too. It was Renton.  

Whilst Renton F.C. was clearly not in the very first wave of Scotland's football clubs (it had not been a founder member of the SFA) and its actual foundation-date is un-known it was one of the entries seven month's later into the first Scottish Cup. Moreover, at that initial attempt it would reach the Quarter-Final, losing only to Queen's Park, the eventual title winners, 2-0. Furthermore it would do it with a team that we know in detail (see below), one which included, for later reference, a Melville and remained largely unchanged when the club would the following year go all the way to the final, held at the first Hampden Park and won by the home team once more, this time 3-0.  

But here again there is something else that is, if anything, more worthy of notice. In that December 1873 encounter with Queen's Park both teams lined up as notionally 2-2-6 but in a contemporary account more detail of Renton's positioning was given. Alex McKay and John Kennedy were the full-backs, McCrimmond and Campbell the half-backs. But in front of them were three "half-forwards" and beyond them three "forwards". In other words there were firstly three pairs and secondly they were not horizontal across the pitch but vertical. But still more to the point, like the block-four defence, the term "half-forward" comes straight from Southern shinty with full-forwards in front of them. In other words Renton was observed as a first playing football using an almost fully Camanachd formation that retained the full-centre (see again above), added another but was to reduce to eleven players less the two wing-centres. 

Moreover, the horizontal to vertical adjustment clearly worked, with more to come, and can be seen to have been adopted by other teams even if Queen's Park proved to be one of the tardiest. The earliest reporting of it at by then the First Hampden would be on 9th October 1875 versus The Wanderers once more and this time with FYI both Arthur Kinnaird and Charles Alcock in the line-up. Lawrie, in front, and Weir would be on the right, McKinnon and Herriot in the middle and the McNeill brothers, Harry, a known shinty-player, and Moses, on the left. Queens at home won 5-0.        

At this point Queen's Park had been and would remain undefeated But that was to change and it was to be The Wanderers, which were first to make it happen. In the follow-up friendly to the above game and four months later in February 1876 they back in London would be victorious by 2-0 but then Queen's Park, playing essentially with ten men, had something of an off-day, rectified with a 6-0 win away against the same opposition in November that same year. However, that was to be just seven weeks before invincibility in Scotland also came to an end. It happened on 30th December in the Scottish Cup and at the hands of Vale of Leven. It had, after the Ferguson affair, essentially seen elimination from the first two Scottish Cups,but had  been building up a head of steam. In its first year it had gathered a pool of twenty-four or so players that was then reduced over three seasons to a squad of sixteen to twenty, Ferguson included; one which essentially knew each other's game. They were drawn from the same calico works that had previously supplied the shinty players. In fact, a number of them were also accomplished at the game. And they would soon constitute the World's first consistently successful working-class club. Renton, equally if not more working-class, had had its moment first but, having just eliminated Scotland's previously unvanquished doyen, The Vale would not only take that Scottish Cup that year and but for two more consecutively after that and in 1878 in beating the English FA Cup holders, The Wanderers once more, be ipso facto the first best club in the World. 

(Here the work done at Stirling University, as shown in Scottish Football Origins, in examining the back-grounds of the players from the Vale of Leven, including Dumbarton, from the valley's three main teams, makes the point far better than we can.)    

That is, however, not to say, meantime and a mile and a half down the road Renton had been just a one-off wonder. It too was prospering. Whilst in 1875-76 it had been knocked out of the Scottish Cup in just the second round and by The Vale it not only had an established group of players but one which it was able to re-build still from local talent. And, although it would in 1876-77 be eliminated in round one again locally by Dumbarton, in 1877-8 with the new squad it too would find a wave, one of its own, making it all the way to the penultimate round and only lose to Third Lanark on a replay, this as The Vale had been granted a semi-final bye. Who knows how it might have turned out had it been the other way round but it is not inconceivable, as Renton at last in Tontine Park had its own, proper ground, that first, the final would have been all-Leven and, second even, that Renton might in winning have gone on instead to become both Scottish and World champions. Such are the fine margins of fate.   

Episode 2 follows soonest.   

 

 

Episode 2

So it was that at the end of the 1877-8 season the valley of the Dunbartonshire Leven would have the Cup-Winner, The Vale itself, and a semi-finalist, Renton, which had failed to make the final only on the second replay. And it was to be superficially much the same the following season, except that, whilst the Alexandria club would go on to take the trophy for a third time in a row, having meantime also defeated the English Cup-Winners, The Wanderers, to become ipso facto World Champions, Renton's slot would be filled by Dumbarton. To do so, with Renton having gained from a first-round walk-over, it had in October 1878 in the second round and watched by 4,000 crushed the Tontine Park club away 1-6. It was not a good omen. Whilst a new and third village club, Renton Wanderers, played its first recorded game in January 1879 Renton itself was perhaps already struggling with worse to come. The next year's Cup would see them get through rounds one and two on replays, one against the Dumbarton club, Lennox, before in the third Dumbarton itself overwhelmed them once more, this time 5-0 albeit away. And after that there is for the loser of that encounter not a single game recorded for the rest of the season. 

Moreover, the Renton's premier team would not be alone. In October 1878 Renton Thistle, until then the village's second club, had lost in the Cup's first round, in fact to Lennox, then played a single last fixture and was dissolved. There would be no obvious explanation and, furthermore, turn out to be a precursor of what was to come next. 

In September 1879 The Vale had lost its Cup crown, going down in the first round and to the growing power of Dumbarton once more in what much have been a great match, 4-3, away. But it continued to play on with a programme of friendlies and, in 1880-81, would reach the Cup quarter finals with Renton, firstly, be one of its victims on the way, again in October in just the second round, 0-1 at home, and, secondly, the Tontine club once more having not a single further, recorded game. Then in September 1881, whilst Renton had entered that season's Cup, it allowed itself in the first round to be walked over by another local club, Jamestown, and in addition did not obviousally feature anywhere again. Indeed, by the end of the season, so April 1882, it had even resigned from the Scottish Football Association. The club had seemingly collapsed.      

There is, as previously with Thistle, to this point no obvious explanation for this turn of events. And, whilst several theories have been suggested, none seems enough on its own, although together they might have been sufficient. The first is that through the 1870s, on-field, whilst The Vale had regularly drawn from a pool of at least twenty players, climbing to thirty, with half-a-dozen new recruits as it rebuilt in the early 1880s, its rival just down the road seems by 1878-9 to have had just fourteen at its disposal, and from that point perhaps simply struggled to put together a team. The second is off-field. By that time its Secretary, the man who organised it and the fixtures, was James Thomson, who in 1878 married a girl from Dumbarton, moved there and no replacement was found. The third, somewhat tortuously, is that there was almost an edict had been handed down in the village that specifically football should cease, although not all sport. Shinty was still acceptable. The fourth is that early exits from the Cup redirected the village's sporting talent, and in 1879-80 that of Alexandria also, back to the ancient game.

This fourth has, in fact, been for sometime the preferred thesis as in 1880 Vale of Leven won the premier, Glasgow shinty trophy, the Glasgow Celtic Society Cup and in 1881 and 1882 Renton was twice runners-up. However, we now have uncovered the GCSC teams and, whilst there is some cross-over, notably David Lindsay, W(illiam) Campbell and A(lex) McCrimmond, and from both football clubs, it is simply not enough.     

And the fifth theory is due perhaps to a disruption in patronage and thus finances, not in the form of sinecure jobs, as the academic historian, Matthew McDowell, has suggested but with seemingly little indication beyond normal practice everywhere at the time, and certainly no evidence for these early years, but in terms of facilities. Tontine Park, rudimentary as it was with, for example, no grandstand until 1886, had to paid for in terms of both land and infrastructure, never mind running-costs.

So, from the formation of Renton Football Club it seems Alexander Wylie had been its President, Honorary or otherwise. A Wylie had even played for Jamestown in its earliest, know team, as had, for future reference, a McKechnie. His father had been the one to bring Turkey-Red dyeing to the valley. He had been from Balfron, Perthshire fitba' country. But his mother was local, Bonhill parish born. In fact she was a Kinloch (See Vale of Leven's first ever squad). Alexander himself had been born in 1839 in Alexandria and worked initially for the Orr Ewings. But in 1873, so at the age of thirty-four, he joined William Stirling and Sons in Renton at the Cordale and Dalquhurn works, being part of the consortium that acquired the business in 1878 and becoming its manager in 1880. And that was the same year he wed Ann Mylrea and might simply have turned his attention to married life with the football relegated to the back-burner.         

However, sadly it was not to last. In 1883 Ann Wylie died in the village aged just twenty-seven and is buried in the graveyard of Cardross i.e. Renton's Old Parish Church, with her husband never remarrying. 

In fact he would outlive her by almost forty years, dying in February 1921, aged eighty-one, to be buried with his brother and sisters in the family plot still in Renton but at its Trinity Church. The timings are significant. It is unlikely to have been coincidence that in 1883 a new well-run and -funded Renton football club emerged, of which he would be President and also almost four decades what remained of the same, by then long outwith the top-flight, indeed, the League, was wound up within months of his passing.           

And so to Alex Wylie himself. He is, perhaps best described, as, for example, Alexander Watson Hutton is of the Argentine game, as the Father, and twice over, of Renton football and therefore much more. He would see his remarkable village-club in five years from rebirth rise right to the top in Scotland. But it would in that same time also develop what would become not just its tactics and therefore style but Scotland's as a whole, thus should he not also be considered the Father of our game? Furthermore, with the Scottish Game provably the one that was taken round the World, should he not then also be lauded as the Father of the Global Game. Yet where is the recognition, where are the laurels? Unlike the arguably less significant AHW, AKW's last resting-place is adorned neither by stone nor bloom.     

 

 

Episode 4

So first a resume, a rapid recapitulation. In 1878, having made it to the second round of the Cup only to be thrashed 11-0 by Vale of Leven, Renton Thistle, the village's second but still senior club, allowed a first round walk-over in the September of the following season and was then, having played one further game in October, seemingly dissolved. And in 1881 the pattern of walk-over and dissolution was repeated by Renton F.C. itself, this as The Vale stuttered in 1879 but regrouped, rebuilt and came again to reach successive Cup finals in 1883 and 1884.

But this is, as newly identified, not to say that football ceased in Renton. The fire was still smouldering and through a third club, exploits of which are monitorable only in the local papers of the time. It was Renton Wanderers, the name of which implies a somewhat ad hoc nature and, albeit Tontine Park must have been under-employed, no fixed ground. In 1880 it had at least one match, in October, two more at the end of the 1880-81 season, one in January 1882, another in February and a third in December, so the following season. And two names for the future, Andrew Hannah and John McNee are said by 1882, then aged 18 and 16 and living on Renton Main St. and at Succoth Farm respectively, to have emerged from it, plus David Hannah, aged fifteen and in Park Buildings, from non-existent Renton Thistle, so perhaps a third. Moreover, we know from the 1880 fixture two of the players to have shown up the best, Lindsay and McIntyre, the former perhaps in David Lindsay a link to the past via shinty and The Vale and the latter a link forward to the near future. 

The emergence itself would be from early September 1882. Having re-joined the SFA that summer Renton - version two - was once more eligible to enter the Cup. And that it did, going from nowhere on a mini-run, albeit with a team, of which just now we have not one detail. In the first round it defeated Dumbarton's Alcutha 1-3 away. In the second on the last day of the month it was Southfield from Slamannan, away once more and impressively 1-14. Then at the end of October Falkirk was accounted for 4-1 at home, after a 2-2 draw away. Only in fourth round did the opposition prove too much. Lugar Boswell came to Tontine and won, but it must still have been an epic encounter, the final score being 3-5. 

However, despite the successes the second thing, after team-sheets, that did not re-emerge was Press interest. But it would, when on 8th September 1883, with the initial Cup rounds played regionally, the holder, Dumbarton, travelled the ten minutes on the railway to Tontine and was defeated, 2-1. It was to prove seismic, albeit initially sedately so. The Glasgow Herald would quietly write:

"It may be remembered that the Renton club succeeded some years ago in running into the final tie, and played with the Queen's Park but on that occasion they were unsuccessful, since then the club has been little heard of, Saturday's team being an entirely new one." 

And, whilst this time the run only went as far as third round, a win 6-1 win at home over Kings Park from Stirling but then a loss up the road away to The Vale, 4-1, there are team-sheets known and finally further reports of other, friendly games. In terms of the latter in a 6-1 victory over Paisley Athletic its "brilliant passing had been very much admired" and at the end of the season in April, it would again lose to Vale of Leven, 4-2, but do so in a match that was "well-contested", The Vale having just been runner-up in the Cup-final and on a walk-over. And in terms of the former three things become clear. 

The first is that the Renton players were by the footballing standards of the times not in the flush of youth. Whilst Bob Kelso and James McCall might have been just eighteen and Andrew Hanna by now nineteen, Archie McCall and Donald McKechnie were already twenty-two, the younger of the two McIntyres, along with several others, twenty-one and his probable, older brother appears to have been an old man of twenty-three. 

The second is that they, about eighteen in total, were a very local, close, village group, although one which remarkably was within five years to prove of national, indeed, international, importance. Of the main eleven Archie McCall, half-brother, James, plus Donald McKechnie, John Lindsay and Andrew Hannah were all living on Main St.. Alick Barbour was on Back St., as was Joseph Thomson, Hannah's future brother-in-law. Meanwhile Bob Kelso stayed on Thimble St.. Then throw into the mix the McIntyres, probably Alexander and John, both from Stirling St., aged 23 and 21 respectively, whose elder sister, Christina, had a decade earlier married John Kelso, Bob Kelso's elder brother. And that leaves just John Mall, perhaps McColl, possibly an Irishman, who emigrated to America, or maybe from Jamestown. 

And third is that, having been aged between fourteen and nineteen or twenty when the first Renton folded, they must somewhere have learned and, under the radar, had considerable practice, perhaps mostly in-house, at what they were obviously able to do so well, with really only one candidate known, the shadowy but clearly very effective Renton Wanderers.

But the Dumbarton Cup-tie would not be the first game Renton had played that season. A week earlier on 30th August there had been an odd one on-the-face-of-it, again at home, a first against non-Scottish opposition, won substantially 10-1 but also perhaps the result of former more glorious times. The away-team was Irwell Springs, the club from the Irwell Springs Dyeing Works, the Irwell being Manchester's river. The team still exists today, now as Bacup Borough, Bacup being the adjacent town. The club had been formed in 1879, one of the last in that East Lancashire footballing hot-spot and by two brothers, John and Robert Rankine, said both to have been "former Vale of Leven players", the assumption being that they had played for The Vale. It is unlikely. They were not Vale-men. Both had been born in Rutherglen, where its football club had been founded in 1875, but there is a link and it is not to Alexandria.

Both John and Robert were in the textile trade and it was that, which had in 1878 taken them, the former aged twenty-two and the latter twenty, from Scotland to Bacup in the first place. John was a Turkey-Red Dyer, Robert, a cotton yarn dyer, who would eventually become the works manager but a clear, Scottish passion for football was in the meantime and in what would become their permanent home a driving force outwith their professional lives. And in settling John would marry a local, Bacup girl, whilst Robert would shortly after arrival return to Rutherglen for his bride, Annie, with whom he would have seven children. But in 1891 she died and a year later Robert at thirty-four would remarry. His new wife would be twenty-four. Her name was Magdaline Gillespie. She had been born in 1868 in Dumbarton and as a girl in 1881 had been living there on on the east side of the river in Levenbank St. so in the parish of Cardross, the same parish as Renton, and was still there in 1891 by then a Printfield Worker, presumably at Dalquhurn. 

It suggests that certainly Robert knew the valley of the Leven, had maintained contacts there, might even have briefly worked and lived there in the mid-1870s, could even with his brother have played football there and be held in high enough esteem in wider Cardross not just for the 1883 visit, but another exactly a year later and then a third game, on 2nd April 1885 this time in Bacup. It would be the first but far from the last time Renton would demonstrate its emerging abilities outwith Scotland. Indeed, that third game would be part of a Lancashire tour, but one which still suggested frailties. Irwell would be beaten, yet this time only 1-3 , but the game the following day against Blackburn Olympic was lost 3-1 and the one the day after that against Bolton Wanderers was also a defeat, 2-1.

In the meantime the 1883-4 season in Scotland had seen, as already mentioned, the Tontine team after the knocking out of The Sons of Rock progress to a third round defeat to The Vale, which itself would go to the defaulted final. Then Renton's 1884-5 campaign would start with a narrow first round win over Alexandria's other team, Vale of Leven Wanderers, be followed by a far easier 2-10 victory over East Stirlingshire in the second and another, 9-2, over Northern from Glasgow in the third, this as notional Cup-winner, Queen's Park, was knocked out. Then November's fourth round would produce a narrow home win over St. Mirren and the there was a stroke of luck, perhaps two. The club was granted a bye into the quarter finals and there defeated Rangers, did the same to Hibernian in Edinburgh in the semi-final and thus had only to face Vale of Leven in the last match and this time emerge with a replay- victory.         

And over the same period there had been other changes. More generally the first player from the whole valley of the Leven to have gone South professionally had been Dan Friel. It had been in the summer of 1883, he had played for The Vale, been twenty-two, had left for Accrington but was uncapped. But the next to go the following season and from the same club was more immediately notable. It was Sandy McLintock, capped three times, aged thirty and Burnley-bound. This was as his home-club was, albeit that Johnny Ferguson was still playing at thirty-four, rebuilding for a second time. As to Renton by the end of the 1884-5 season and the final, whilst the defence remained settled, Alex Grant had had come in for the younger McIntyre and in the wing-pairing with Alick Barbour the replacement of the mysterious Mall was a certain, nineteen year-old James Kelly.   

And the 1885-6 campaign was for that same club in terms of personnel to start much the same. John Lindsay was in goal. Hannah and Archie McCall were the full-backs, McKechnie and Kelso the preferred half-backs in a 2-2-6. That is until December against Cowlairs. There for apparently the first time three half-backs was tried with a player called Watt between the two incumbents. It, the 2-3-5 system, was, however, not new. A formation to have come out of Wales in 1878, Midland and now Northern teams in England were already using it, Edinburgh football had also turned to it early with Nick Ross, even when he had joined Preston from Hearts, a notable exponent. And from Auld Reekie it had been creeping westward, in addition to which all the international teams except Scotland now employed it too. Nor did it even at Tontine go away but went change-about. For the following game 2-2-6 was reverted to but against Edinburgh's Hibernian in the one after that, man-on-man, it appeared to be back with now erstwhile half-cum inside- forward, Alex Grant, in the middle of the three, whilst for the Cup Final against Queen's Park on 13th February the line-up was back to Renton conventional.  

But then came the PNE debacle. It was to be the clubs' first meeting. It took place on 27th March 1886 and in Preston at Deepdale. There were nineteen Scots on the pitch on the day. North End, as they had for much of a season that had see them undefeated and only handful of draws, fielded eight as Renton was massacred 7-0 but with no possibility clearly that it was anything to do with national styles. It was personnel or tactics, this as Dewhurst scored after fifteen minutes, then young Jimmy Ross hit two, his brother Nick one, from full-back, as did John Goodall, Jack Gordon and even known hard-tackler, Davie Russell, from defensive, repeat defensive centre-half one also. And it led after the match to Renton's then captain, a soul-searching Alick Barbour, sitting down with his opposite number, Nick Ross, and getting him to explain in detail what Preston was doing and Renton was not. It proved to be a revolutionary conversation although not quite yet. The club had first to return to a home-match against Hibernian once more, a 3-5 defeat.

However, obviously more thinking was needed and change necessary with both perhaps first showing their faces in a 6-2 defeat in a friendly at home of Aston Villa on about 20th August 1886, but with no team and therefore formation known. However, we do know on the 25th September 1886 at the start of the new home season Renton faced Rangers and again played three half-backs, Kelso, Kelly and a new name from the second team, Allison, with Barbour and an another new-comer, seventeen-year-old John Campbell as the right-wing pairing. But then it was back to the more conventional but with Kelly then being moved about still more. He and Barbour were at right-wing for the next game and three weeks later with Campbell back he and and McIntyre, presumably the more advanced of the two, were the central pairing. 

And it is at this point that in still captain Alick Barbour's mind something must have been taking more solid shape. Throughout November, December and into January 1887 the formation remained the same against home-grown clubs and in defeat of visitors alike;  Accrington in October, a home draw with Blackburn Rovers in November and an away win in Blackburn in December. Indeed, if something were gelling, it needed to not least because in January Preston was coming north not for one but two games a week apart, a friendly and an FA Cup tie. 

The friendly was on 15th and ended as a 2-2 draw. But on 22nd Preston got down to business. The result for Renton was a 0-2 home defeat, the response to which and the fact that the Dunbartonshire team had never yet beaten the Lancashire one was that first Barbour dropped himself, bringing in a further new name, Neil McCallum from Bonhill, himself replaced Kelly for the game after that, then brought him back and played himself on the wing with either Campbell or McCallum for the remainder of the season, which was going more or less to end with an April tour to, you have guessed it, Lancashire once more.  

It would not go well. The first game was yet again against North End. It was a 2-1 defeat. Then came draws at both Burnley and Bolton Wanderers, at which point but aged just twenty-five Barbour clearly decided at his home-town club at least he had done what he could. That summer he joined the Bolton club and, whilst he returned to Renton or more specifically to Bonhill village to live out his life after football, he would spend the rest of his on-field and coaching days across The Border. 

As such he would be the first Renton player to make such a move, although there had been more leakage from The Vale. In the summer of 1886 Robert McRae had gone effectively from its second team. Without him having played a first-team game of note again Burnley acquired his services Then the summer after it would be Will McColl to Morton with George Davie at twenty-three and a centre-forward moving briefly to Renton and eighteen year-old James Cowan going the other way, both probably feeling their paths blocked by talent ahead. And this was as, meanwhile, the captain's armband at Renton would between the end of season 1886-7 and start of 1887-8 be passed to Archie McCall. 

And at that point quite simply something extra happened. Perhaps it was generally maturity and timing, perhaps it was that McCall's by then twenty-six year-old head had in it ideas for fine-tuning or that he just had different leadership qualities. The suspicion is that it was a little of all three, a combination of more experience throughout the team, an adjustment of Kelly as the normally central one in the half-back trio from an emphasis on defensive duties a la Preston to more attacking ones, as might befit a player, who had begun as a proto-inside-forward, and an ability to cajole a still relatively inexperienced Kelly, perhaps by McColl himself and now from behind, to hold a position behind the five forwards but not between but in front of the Scottish tradition of just two half-backs. And the results were to be spectacular. With a fairly steady first-team and a total pool of about twenty-five players by the turn of the year they were in the Cup semi-final with a tally of thirty-nine goals for and six against and here is the run of games from then, the 1st January, to the denouement at the season's end.                     

2nd January 1888 Dundee Harp - Renton 0 - 5

3rd January 1888 Forfar Athletic - Renton 0 - 4

14th January 1888 Renton - Queen's Park 3 - 1

in the Scottish Cup semi-final

21st January 1888 Dumbarton Athletic - Renton 0 - 2 

in the Dunbartonshire Cup 

4th February 1888 Renton - Cambuslang 6 - 1 

for the Scottish Cup Final

11th February 1888 Renton - Vale of Leven 1 - 2

for the Dunbartonshire Cup Final

25th February 1888 Hearts - Renton 0 - 3

3rd March 1888 Rangers - Renton 3 - 7

(10th March 1888 Scotland - Wales)

and Queen's Park - Renton 1 - 1

(17th March 1888 Scotland - England) 4 players in Scotland team

(24th March 1888 Ireland - Scotland)

and Partick Thistle - Renton 2 - 4

31st March 1888 Renton - St Mirren 3 - 2

7th April 1888 Kilmarnock - Renton 1 - 1

14th April 1888 Renton - Morton 2 - 2 

19th April 1888 Queen's Park - Renton 2 - 2

for the Glasgow Charity Cup

21st April 1888 Sunderland - Renton 2 - 4

28th April 1888 Vale of Leven - Renton 0 - 5

2nd May 1888 Queen's Park - Renton 0 - 2

for the Glasgow Charity Cup replay

8th May 1888 Rangers - Renton 1 - 5

12th May 1888 Renton - Cambuslang 4 - 1 

for the Glasgow Merchants Charity Cup

19th May 1888 Renton - West Bromwich Albion 4 - 1

for the "World Championship"

26th May 1888 Scoto-English played Scoto-Welsh

(The Scotland players against England v the Scotland players against Wales) 

28th May 1888 Celtic's first game 

2nd June 1888 Renton - Preston NE 4 - 2

for the "World Championship" II

In the twenty-six games over five months four finals (and they say modern, professional footballers play too much) were reached and three won. There was just the one defeat, to The Vale in the Dunbartonshire Cup. There were three draws, two when resources were stretched by internationals, one to Queen's Park. Seventy-two goals were scored for and twenty-four conceded, exactly 3:1 and, as well as taking the Scottish Cup then playing and roundly defeating the English Cup winners, West Bromwich, to become de jure World Champions, they finally beat Preston, which the following year would be the World's first Double-winners.

Oh, to have seen a rematch that following season but it would never be because at that moment the Renton World as was would fall apart, a combination of rapaciousness and from each side of the border. First came the departure to newly-formed Celtic of both James Kelly himself, there to be captain, and Neilly McCallum, but it should be remembered that also Andrew Hannah went initially to West Bromwich, Frank Dyer to Bolton, George Davie to Everton and William Brady to Burnley, a ration of 2 to 1, South of the Border to North. And Vale of Leven almost by proximity was not immune either. It lost James Coyne also to Everton and from its first eleven John Forbes to Blackburn and Tom McLean to Notts Co., so two North and seven South so far. 

And the drain would continue at the end of the following campaign with from Renton John Lindsay going and once more to Accrington, Andrew Hannah, another to Everton, Harry Campbell also to Blackburn, John McNee to Bolton Wanderers and even Frank Dyer brought back from Bolton to replace Kelly taking himself to Vale of Leven. And to that, never mind Dumbarton was now being similarly impacted, must be added The Vale's further losses of John Baird to Aston Villa, Frank Dyer off again, this time to Warwick County and James Cowan again to Warwick County before Aston Villa, so from the two upper-Leven clubs one North and seven South from that season alone and totalling three and fourteen overall thus far.

But even then it did not stop. In the summer of 1890 Renton was virtually cleaned out. John Harvey and John Campbell went to Sunderland, David Hannah to again Sunderland and then Liverpool, Patrick Gordon to Everton, Billy Fraser to Stoke and Robert McDermid to Accrington. Whilst the exodus from The Vale comprised John Murray to Sunderland, Alex Paton to West Manchester, Archie Osborne to Notts County, James McLachlan to Derby Co., John Walker to Grimsby Town and Daniel Paton to Aston Villa. That is twelve, all heading South, so now three still North and twenty-six South.  

And by the middle of 1891 it was even worse. From Renton Duncan McLean had moved to Everton, George Campbell and James Brown to Aston Villa, Harry Gardiner to Bolton, Duncan McNair to Middlesbrough Ironopolis, John McNee back to Bolton, John Cameron to Stoke, John Duncan to Notts Forest, Willie McArthur to Sunderland Albion and George Davie to Arsenal. Whilst from The Vale they were accompanied by Andrew Whitelaw to Notts Co., James Sharp to Preston, John Baird to Aston Villa, James McMillan to Everton, the returned McCallum to Nottingham Forest and Malcolm McVean to Liverpool.

Moreover, still there was no end. 1892 would see the departures or re-departures from Renton of Andrew Hannah, James McBride and James Kelso, all to Liverpool, and Thomas Towie briefly to Celtic and then Derby County. In 1893 its was Gilbert Rankin across to Vale of Leven, Robert Glen to The Wednesday, John Cowan to Preston North End and Aston Villa and Andrew Hannah back to Liverpool, whilst in 1894 it would Jack McNee, now to Newcastle Utd and Jock Bell to Wolverhampton Wanderers. This as The Vale saw the departures in 1892 of Daniel Bruce to Rangers and Johnny Darroch also to The Wednesday, in 1893 amazingly none and finally in 1894 Duncan (Mc)Nichol to Darwen. 

It meant in the seven season from 1888 there were something like seventy-eight net out-flows to English clubs and and ten to Scottish ones, eighty-eight in all or eight teams, one plus a season. It was, of course, unsustainable. Indeed, the clubs would begin a long wither-on-the-vine, this whilst ex-players and the few originals who remained in Scotland taught and/or demonstrated to the rest of the nation the distinctive Renton cum Leven way of play, those who went as a new wave of this time more properly qualified "Scotch Professors" to England did the same there and with in time, largely but not entirely the former, taking the same to the wider World. It would be a still distinctive but now renewed Scottish style of play, the new Scottish Game with a mobile, attacking, passing rather than defensive, non-Preston, pivotal centre-half, essentially the first, dedicated mid-field and, dare it be said, not unlike shinty's "full-centre". He would be positioned in front of narrow half-backs with full-backs now able to widen and all behind a forward-line, already operating in vertical pairings that had or would soon produce from the back-up- or half-forwards of the old system inside-forwards, right and left. And from those adjustments would emerge the concept of those same inside-forwards fetching and carrying, the one-man mid-field becoming at times three, and almost organically until really the Hungarians the again Scottish adaption of the half-backs marking inside-forwards and full-backs the wingers. The long-term superiority of this final concept was nowhere better expressed than by Jimmy Mullen, the experienced Scotland captain a full forty years later on the victory of the Wembley Wizards of 1928. He said: 

"I want to emphasise that all our forwards are inherently clever. ... But I wish to say that the English tactics were wrong. The Saxon wing-halves paid more attention to the wingers than the inside forwards – therefore the latter were given a lot of space. It is a common thing in England to let wing halves, and not fullbacks, mark the wingers. It doesn’t pay and I don’t know why they pursue it." 

To which he might have added. "I feel sure that the wider, global, footballing World will not make the same mistake." 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, that is not to say that at inception It was a method of play, which did not take a little time to bed in. It stuttered somewhat, not least because Scottish football was having to face the two-fold challenge of the acceptance of professionalism and, caused by the existence already in England of the same, an outflow of talent so large that the national team, until 1896 drawn only from Scotland-based players, was, as results show, severely weakened. By that time well over two hundred Diasporan-Scots including many of the best were turning out and therefore living Down South. But once in place and with most of our ablest players eligible it first, pre-Great War, it regained its confidence and post-Great War at home entered a Golden Era only narrowly outdone in terms of results by the decade from 1875-1885. This was whilst, elsewhere, it, it being in this case very largely the direct product of Renton and The Vale, had been and was through global export now beginning the disseminating of the three bases of the modern game, from 1872 and shortly afterwards both organised defence and attack and from 1888 the essence of a fully-functioning link between the two, a first mid-field, albeit the centre-half of whatever ilk has been supersede by the centre-back o -backs. Yet all is perhaps not lost. In the libero, in the alchemy of a Pirlo or an Iniesta perhaps the ghost of James Kelly remains.

Indeed, so effective and , indeed so flexible, 

And the latter was one that from contemporary match-reports can be seen over the 1870s and supplemented by a centre-forward- pairing to supersede the horizontal pairings that as a six had themselves replaced the free-for-all, seven-man forward line of the early English game.  

But as well as shinty on-field there had also been off-field. From the formation of Renton F.C. the Chairman/President/Patron had been Alexander Wylie, the manager/owner of the village's Dalquhurn Works. It had been his mother's brother, Graham Kinloch, who had built the Ferryfield works in Alexandria. Then in 1843 , John Wylie, Alexander's father, had brought the Turkey Red dyeing process to the area. He himself had trained with the Orr Ewings in Alexandria and moved to William Shirley and Sons in Renton in 1874, just as the football club took off, and was part of a consortium that bought the works outright in 1878. However, from 1880 he must have been somewhat distracted from football by initially a happy and then a sad event. The first at the start of the decade was at forty his marriage, his wife Annie Mylrea. They were to live at Dalquhurn Cottage in Renton, he listed as employing six hundred and seven men, seven hundred and eighty-four women, two hundred and seventy boys and two hundred and fifty-one girls, almost 2,000 in total. But at just twenty-seven in November 1883 at nearby Cordale House, built by the Stirlings, Annie died with Alexander never remarrying.                  

And it was about this same time that the Renton football club's fortunes started to pick up with reapplication to the SFA having taken place at the beginning of the 1882-3 season albeit just now with Andrew Hannah the only known player but perhaps hints of a further source of revival. In 1882 the two McIntyre brothers, Andrew and James, were known to have been playing for The Vale. Andrew, the elder by four years, already a Scottish international and three-time winner of the Cup Final would, by then at twenty-eight, be in The Vale team that would on a replay lose the 1883 one to Dumbarton. But, whilst he came from Alexandria, he would spend most of his working-life as an engineer in Renton at Wylie's Dalquhurn Works, even living in Renton itself later in life. It is therefore not beyond possibility that he was asked by Wylie himself to become involved in the local club. Certainly again in 1883 both brothers appear also to be turning out for Renton, Andrew probably was there in 1884 and James in 1885 as a new and substantial group of young talent with Hannah began to be formed around them. By 1883-4 John Lindsay, the McCall half-brothers, Archie and the younger James, his mother a Melville, Donald McKechnie and Alick Barbour were all in the first-team and James Kelly was on the fringes. This as Vale of Leven's team had begun to be tapped from Down South, specifically Lancashire, for its talent. In 1882-3 the first, uncapped Dan Friel, at twenty-two had been signed by Accrington before the next season moving to Burnley for six campaigns. And there at Turf Moor for 1883-4 he would joined by Sandy McLintock, at the age of already at thirty and three times a Scottish international, for a single campaign.  

Known Renton, Renton Thistle, Vale of Leven and other Upper Vale Teams

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1872-3

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  • Cunningham
  • Wylie
  • Fergus
  • Ferguson
  • MacDermid
  • Moodie
  • Graham
  • McKechnie
  • MacDonald
  • Lang
  • Edmunds

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

1872-3 - Jamestown

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  • Robert Parlane
  • Archie Michie
  • J. M. Campbell
  • James White
  • John C. McGregor
  • George McGregor 
  • Robert Lindsay
  • Robert Jardine
  • J. McNichol
  • John Ferguson
  • J. Campbell

McLay, Ewing, Bryan, Sandy McLintock, Wright, (Robert) Paton, Partington, Colquhoun, Duncan Cameron, D. MacFarlane, Matthew Nicholson, Charles Glen, William Kinloch

1872-3 Vale of Leven

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  • R. Turnbull
  • John Kennedy
  • Alex. Mackay
  • W. Campbell
  • A. Strachan
  • Brown
  • John McCrae
  • L. Brown
  • J. Melville
  • Alexander Glen
  • F. Kennedy
  •  
  • D. McCrimmond, T. Kennedy, John Dunwoodie, N (M). Campbell, D. Kennedy, G. Melvi(lle)n, J. McRain                                                                                                                                    

1873-4 Renton

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  • Robert Parlane
  • Archie Michie
  • P. Paton
  • D. McFarlane
  • A. Mcintoal(McIntyre)
  • George McGregor
  • Duncan Cameron
  • Robert Lindsay
  • W. MacDonald
  • M. McGregor
  • J. McGowan
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  • John Ferguson, J. M. Campbell,  J. McNichol, Sandy McLintock, John McGregor, T. Wood, John McInlay, James Williamson, (A.) McEwan                                                                           

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  • Turnbull
  • Mackay
  • J. Kennedy
  • (Mc)Rae
  • Melville
  • J. Brown
  • M. Kennedy
  • Alexander Glen
  • L. Brown
  • Scallion
  • McGregor

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

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  • William McLennan
  • P. McKinlay
  • P. Docherty
  • J. M'Nichol
  • A. M'Kinley
  • R. Milne
  • H. Irvine
  • J.McAllister
  • P. McAllister
  • John McDougall
  • George Smith
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  • James Peters, James McDougall                                                                                             [John Forbes, A. McEwan, J. McPherson and J. McNichol playing for Star of Leven.]                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

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  • Robert Parlane 
  • Archie Michie
  • A(ndrew). McIntyre
  • J. M. McIntyre
  • James Baird
  • (Charles) Glen
  • Partington
  • Robert Paton
  • McDougall
  • B. Russell
  • John Baird
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  • John Ferguson, Sandy McLintock, Robert Lindsay, (John or James) McDougall, McGregor

In Cup have to allow walk-over to Clydesdale. John and also a James McDougall playing for Glasgow-based Vale of Leven Rovers.                                      

1874- 5 Vale of Leven

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  • Turnbull
  • McKay
  • Kennedy
  • Scallion
  • L. Brown
  • Kennedy
  • J. Brown
  • Glen
  • Melvin
  • McRae
  • Jenkins
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  • McCrimmon, Joyce, Miller, Nelson

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  • McCrimmon
  • J. McGregor
  • McRae
  • P. McGregor
  • Davidson
  • Cameron
  • Burnholme
  • (McIn)Tyre
  • Grant(1)
  • Grant(2)
  • Ritchie

 

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  • (William) Wood
  • (Will) Jamieson
  • A. McIntyre
  • (James) McIntyre
  • Sandy McLintock
  • (John or James) McDougall
  • John Campbell Baird
  • James Baird
  • McGregor
  • (Robert) Paton
  • (John) Ferguson
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  • Lamont, (Robert) Lindsay

1875-6 Vale of Leven

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  • W. Kennedy
  • Grant
  • Turnbull
  • M. Kennedy
  • McRae
  • McCrimmon
  • Burnham
  • Grant
  • (James)(John) McIntyre
  • McArthur
  • Miller

                                                                                                                                                         

1876-7 Renton

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  • McPherson
  • Jones
  • McFarlane
  • Russell
  • Strachan
  • White
  • McLeish
  • McEwan
  • McLean
  • Burns
  • Lamont

                                                                                                                                                         

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  • Andrew McIntyre
  • Archie Michie
  • Robert Paton
  • John McDougall
  • John Baird
  • Sandy McLintock
  • John Ferguson
  • John McGregor
  • Will Jamieson
  • William Wood
  • David Lindsay
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  • , Robert Parlane, James McIntyre,  James Baird, John McPherson, John McFarlane, Jones, May

1876-7 Vale of Leven

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  • (W) Kennedy
  • Grant
  • McKay
  • Miller
  • McRae
  • McCrimmon
  • McAllister
  • McArthur
  • Burns
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  •  McIntyre, Colquhoun, McLearie, (Denton), Grant, Loy, Fagans, Davidson, Fraser,                             

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 1877-8

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  • Robert Parlane
  • Andrew McIntyre
  • James McIntyre
  • John McPherson
  • Will Jamieson
  • John Ferguson
  • John McDougall
  • James Baird
  • John Campbell Baird
  • Johnny McFarlane
  • Robert Paton
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  • Sandy McLintock, John Baird,  John McGregor, May, Jones, George McGregor, Strathearn

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  • McIntyre
  • W. Grant
  • McArthur(22)
  • Colquhoun(20)
  • McLearie(22)
  • Burman
  • McCrimmon(21)
  • Fagan(s)(24)
  • A. Grant(22)
  • McRae
  • Loy(19)
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  •         Kennedy, (McKinnon), Cameron (23)                                                                                                                                        

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  • Woodroe
  • Moir
  • Collins
  • R. Sharp
  • W. Sharp
  • Brown
  • More
  • McIntyre
  • McCulloch
  • Lindsay
  • Stewart

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  

_________________________________________

  • Robert Parlane
  • Andrew McIntyre
  • Sandy McLintock
  • Will Jamieson
  • John McPherson
  • John Campbell Baird
  • John McDougall
  • James Baird
  • John McGregor
  • John McFarlane
  • John Ferguson

  • Robert Paton, W. Strathearn, H. McLeish, J. McIntyre, Paton, P. Logan, T. Taylor, W. Taylor, J. Stewart, J. Murie (Murray)

_________________________________________

  • James Smith (25-30)
  • R. Kilpatrick (30)
  • D. Lindsay (27)
  • J. McLean (21-28)
  • W. Campbell(18-29)
  • John Smith (18-29)
  • John Docherty(24-30)
  • James Williamson(26)
  • Thomas Kinroy(23)
  • James McComish(26)
  • A. McClaren(18-27)
  •  
  • Renton, team unknown,  knocked out of Scottish Cup on 1st Nov. by Dumbarton, 5-0. Not one game reported on after that date. 

Renton Thistle played one game in October 1879  

_________________________________________

  • Cunningham
  • Collins
  • Sharp
  • Cranmer
  • McCulloch
  • Brown
  • Stewart
  • McIntyre
  • Hendry
  • Coubrough
  • Graham

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

_________________________________________

  • Robert Parlane(28)
  • Andrew McIntyre (23)
  • W. Strathearn(18-20)
  • John McPherson(23)
  • James McIntyre
  • John Ferguson
  • John McFarlane
  • James Baird
  • William Taylor
  • John McDougall(23)
  • M. Gilles
  •  
  • Will Jamieson, Paton, McGregor, John Baird (23), Sandy McLintock (26), John Forbes, G. Cranmer/Cranbury, (Mc)Rae, D. F(L)indlay, D. McLean, J. Brown, A. McLeish, Cunningham
  • Shinty - GCSC

_________________________________________

  • James Towie
  • D. Gordon
  • W. McKay
  • H. McKinney
  • A. MacCrimmond
  • M. Kennedy
  • Joseph McIntyre
  • J. Munro
  • James McIntyre
  • T. Watson
  • James Watt
  • Alex. McKinney
  •  
  • In October Renton played Vale of Leven in Scottish Cup at home on 2nd October and lost 1-0. It was the only mention in the press found for that year. No team given.
  • N/A
  • Shinty - GCSC
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A

Renton Wanderers also play in October, Lindsay and McIntyre prominent.          . Renton Thistle played two games locally at the end of the season.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    

_________________________________________

  • Lindsay
  • McIntyre
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

Renton Wanderers 1880-81

_________________________________________

  • Robert Parlane
  • W. Strathearn
  • Sandy McLintock
  • James McIntyre
  • Andrew McIntyre
  • John McPherson
  • Peter Logan
  • John Campbell Baird
  • James Baird
  • Robert Paton
  • John McFarlane
  •  
  • M. Gillies, J. McRae, C. McRae, John Ferguson, John Forbes, R. Murie, H. McLeish, D. Lindsay, D. McLean, John McGregor, W. Taylor, J. Cranmer, Cunningham/Cumming, Kerr, Wilson, McLaren, Chapman, Walker

_________________________________________

  • M. Kennedy
  • J. McKimie
  • A. McLaren
  • D. Gordon
  • J. Towie
  • John Smith
  • James Smith
  • T. Watson
  • A. McKimie
  • J. Baxter
  • Joseph McIntyre
  • James Munro
  •  
  • Renton allowed a walk-over to Jamestown on 10th September 81 in first round of the Scotttish Cup. 
  • Left SFA
  • RW play one game in January 82 and one in February   

_________________________________________

  • A. Sharp
  • J. Millar
  • W. Collins
  • T. Hendry
  • D. McLean
  • J. Brown
  • H. McCulloch
  • A. McCrimmond
  • D. McIntyre
  • J. MacFadyean
  • William Mann

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              

_________________________________________

  • Sandy McLintock
  • John Forbes
  • John McFarlane
  • John McPherson
  • (Robert) McRae
  • Peter Logan
  • J. Abraham
  • William Struthers
  • Dan Friel
  • James Brown
  • D. Kennedy
  •  
  • Andrew McIntyre,  M. Gillies, Kerr, W. Strathern (Strachan), J/G.Cranmer, Cumming, Gillies, C. McRae, J. McCrae, McLeish, John Miller, J. Wilson, W. B. Johnstone, Kennedy, McNee

_________________________________________

  • Re-joined SFA
  • Andrew Hannah - aged 18 -from Renton Wanderers
  • David Hannah - aged 15 - from Renton Thistle (Wanderers)
  • ((John) McNee aged 16 - from Renton Wanderers)
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • RW play one game in Dec. 1882

                                                                          

_________________________________________

  • Cunningham
  • Collins
  • Miller
  • Wilson
  • Hendry
  • Sharp
  • McIntyre
  • McGregor
  • McCulloch
  • Weir
  • Muir

 

                                                                                                                                                       

_________________________________________

  • Dan Friel - to Accrington
  • Sandy McLintock
  • Andrew McIntyre
  • John Forbes
  • John McPherson
  • A. McLeish
  • John McFarlane
  • (D.) Kennedy
  • M. Gilles
  • Robert McRae
  • W. B. Johnstone
  •                                                                   Peter Logan, W. Strathearn, James Brown, A. Kennedy,  James Wilson, A. McLellan, (D.) Lind(say) McCulloch, D. McIntyre

_________________________________________

  • John Lindsay (21)
  • Archie McCall (22)
  • Bob Kelso (18)
  • Donald McKechnie (22)
  • James McCall (18)
  • Alick Barbour (21)
  • John M(H)all(McColl) (21)
  • Joseph Thomson (20)
  • John McIntyre (21)
  • Alex  McIntyre (23)
  • Andrew Hannah (19)
  •  
  • David Hannah (16), James Kelly (18) - from Renton Wanderers, J. (Mc)(O)Neil(Nee) (17), Stewart, William McColl (18), (Robert (18) or Andrew (25)) Allison, Watson
  • RW play one game in August 83, two in October, one in November and one in January 84.                       

 _________________________________________

  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      

_________________________________________

  • Sandy McLintock - to Burnley
  • James Wilson
  • John Forbes
  • Andrew McIntyre
  • John McPherson
  • Peter Logan
  • Robert McRae
  • D. Kennedy
  • D. McIntyre
  • W. B. Johnston(e)
  • M. D. Gillies
  •  
  • John McFarlane, A. McLeish, Cramner, W. Strathearn, James Brown, Abraham, Gilles, McCulloch, McLean, Cumming, McLellan, Kerr, Sinclair, McBrayne, J. Galloway, Campbell, Graham, Roxburgh, Tait

_________________________________________

  • John Lindsay
  • Archie McCall
  • Andrew Hannah
  • Bob Kelso
  • Donald McKechnie
  • James McCall
  • Alick Barbour
  • James Kelly
  • Joseph Thomson
  • Alex McIntyre
  • Alex Grant
  •  
  • (Robert) Allison,John McNee, David Hannah, Burton, Baxter,                                                                                                                                                             

_________________________________________

  • W. Collins
  • T. Sharp
  • A. Roxbrough
  • R. Sharp
  • T. Hendry
  • William Wilson
  • William McColl
  • J. McCallum
  • A. Whitelaw
  • C. McLaren
  • A. McLaren

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          

_________________________________________

  • James Wilson
  • Andrew McIntyre
  • John Forbes
  • J. Abraham
  • J. Galloway
  • David McIntyre
  • John Ferguson
  • W. H(B). Johnston(e)
  • M. D. Gillies
  • D. Kennedy
  • R. Wilson
  •  
  • John McPherson, John McFarlane, J. McLeish,  A. Kerr,  James Brown, Sinclair, Coleman, J. Davie, Reid, McNaught, Murray, Whitelaw 

_________________________________________

  • John Lindsay
  • Archie McCall
  • Andrew Hannah
  • Bob Kelso
  • Donald McKechnie
  • James McCall
  • Alick Barbour
  • James Kelly
  • Alex Grant
  • John McIntyre
  • Joseph Thomson
  •  
  • Alex McIntyre, David Hannah, John McNee, Watt, John Campbell, Neill McCallum,  McLaren, Ralston, Daniel Grant                                                                      

_________________________________________

  • McCallum
  • McLean
  • Buchanan
  • McLeod
  • Tom McLean
  • T. McLeod
  • Brodie
  • Robb
  • Reid
  • Reid
  • Neil

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

_________________________________________

  • James Wilson
  • Andrew Whitelaw
  • John Forbes
  • W(R). Wilson
  • John Murray
  • D. McIntyre
  • Coleman
  • M. D. Gilles
  • Robert McRae - to Burnley
  • McLeod
  • William McColl
  • (Mc)Nichol
  •  
  • Brown,  Abraham, Davie, Sinclair, Reid, Lewis Brodie, G. Willis, McNeill, Robb, Campbell, Watt, Muir, T. Nicholl, A. Nicholl, 

_________________________________________

  • John Lindsay
  • Archie McCall
  • Andrew Hannah
  • Bob Kelso
  • Donald McKechnie
  • Alick Barbour - to Bolton
  • Neill McCallum
  • John Campbell
  • James McCall
  • John McNee
  • Harry Campbell
  • James Cowan - to Vale of Leven
  •  
  • George Davie, James Kelly, David Hannah, Alex McIntyre, (Robert) Allison, J. McIntyre, J.C. Nicholson, A. McDermid, Robert McDermid, H. Campbell, 

1886-7 Renton 2nd XI: W.Jardine, F. Shaw, J. McAdam, T.Allison, A.P. Mackay, J.B. Brodie, P. McCallum, R.A. McCall, D. or P.(eter) Campbell, J.C. Nicholson  

First pavilion opened, grandstand followed

                                                                                                             

 

_________________________________________

  • White
  • Busby
  • Kemp
  • Harrison
  • Cormick
  • Bruce
  • Campbell
  • McGregor
  • McMillan
  • Warnock
  • Muir
  •  

1886-7 - Bonhill

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  •  
  • Cranmer
  • Roxburgh
  • McLaren
  • Hendry
  • McCulloch
  • McLaren
  • Munro
  • Lavel
  • Stevenson
  • Curran
  •                              Paul                                                                          

_________________________________________

  • William McColl - to Morton
  • James Wilson
  • Andrew Whitelaw
  • John Forbes
  • (William) Wilson
  • (John) McNichol
  • John Murray
  • McLeod
  • M. D. Gilles
  • Coleman
  • George. Davie - to Renton
  • James McLaren
  •  
  • Nichol, Brodie, D. Kennedy, T. McNichol, Merry (Murray), Tom McLean, (T.) Sharp, James Coyne, D. McNee, Graham, McLeod (2),                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

_________________________________________

  • Andrew Hannah - to West Bromwich
  • James Kelly - to CelticJohn Lindsay
  • Neill McCallum - to Celtic
  • Archie McCall
  • Bob Kelso
  • Donald McKechnie
  • Harry Campbell
  • John Campbell
  • James McCall
  • John McNee
  • Frank Dyer - to Bolton
  • George Davie - to Everton
  •           William Brady - to Burnley
  •  
  •  David Hannah, A. McDermid, Nicholson  Duncan, McRae, George Campbell, , (James) Brown, , P. Jardine, (James) Brown,, Patrick Gordon                                                                  

_________________________________________

  • T. McLeod
  • L. Glass
  • J. Davie
  • R. McLeod
  • J. Ferguson
  • R. Crawford
  • T. McLeod
  • A. McLeod
  • N. Blair
  • D. Kennedy
  • L. Brodie
  •  
  • J. Reid, J.Buchanan, M. McLean, Nichol, McGregor, F. McLeod                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

_________________________________________

  • John Forbes - to Blackburn
  • Tom McLean - to Notts Co.
  • James Wilson
  • Andrew Whitelaw
  • John Murray
  • D. McIntyre
  • Graham
  •                    James McLaren
  • James Cowan
  • Gilbert Rankin
  • James McLachlan
  •            James Coyne - to Everton  
  •  
  • Graham, Gilles, McGregor, John Baird, Paterson, Gow, Currie, McMillan,  McCallum,  Osborne, McLaughlan,  Bruce, Coleman, McIntyre, Daniel (Patten)Paton,                                                                                                          

_________________________________________

  • John Lindsay - to Accrington
  • Harry Campbell - to Blackburn
  • Andrew Hannah - to Everton
  • John McNee to Bolton Wanderers
  • Archie McCall
  • George Campbell
  • Harry Gardiner
  • James Brown
  • John Harvey
  • John Campbell
  • James McCall
  • Frank Dyer - from Bolton to replace Kelly, to Vale of Leven                    
  •  
  • A. McKay, (H) Duncan, Willocks, D McLean, McIntyre, Mathieson, James Kelso, McNee, David Hannah, McDiarmid, A. O'Neill, Patrick Gordon, Davie                                                             

_________________________________________

  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A
  • N/A

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

_________________________________________

  • John Baird - to Aston Villa
  • James Cowan - to Warwick County & Aston Villa
  • John Gow
  • Andrew Whitelaw
  • John Murray
  • Collins
  • James McLachlan
  • Campbell - from Bonhill
  • (Daniel)(J) Paton
  • James McMillan
  • McIntyre
  • Frank Dyer - to Warwick County
  •  
  • John Walker, Gilbert Rankin, Daniel Bruce, Latta - to Everton, Archie Osborne, John Forbes, William Murray, John McNichol, McLeod, James Cowan, (Lewis) Brodie, James Wilson, A. Paton

_________________________________________

  • Johnny Darroch - to Vale of Leven
  • John Harvey - to Sunderland
  • David Hannah - to Sunderland and Liverpool
  • Patrick Gordon - to Everton
  • Harry Gardiner - to Bolton Wanderers
  • John Campbell - to Sunderland
  • George Campbell - to Aston Villa
  • Billy Fraser - to Stoke
  • Duncan McLean - from Renton Union
  • James Kelso
  • James Brown
  • Robert McDermid  -  to Accrington

John Gow, Duncan McNair, (James or John) Brady, James McCall, John Cameron, Currie, Willie McArthur, McLean, O'Neill, McKenzie, Belger, MacAdam, Mathieson, John McNee, John Duncan, Archie McCall, George Davie, Harrison, Mackay, J. Burleigh                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

_________________________________________

  • Graham
  • Wilson
  • Crawford
  • McLellan
  • Ferguson
  • Harrison
  • McVean
  • A McLeod
  • R. Mcleod
  • Hillfordy
  • McFarlane

      1889-90 Vale of Leven Wanderers

  • Caldwell
  • Kelsken
  • Howell
  • (G ., D. or J.)Sharp
  • (W or A) Graham
  • Balfour
  • McKay
  • Courtney
  • Stevenson
  • Mansland
  • Stevenson

1889-90 Jamestown

_________________________________________

 

  • John Murray - to Sunderland
  • Alex Paton - to West Manchester
  • Archie Osborne - to Notts County
  • James McLachlan - to Derby Co
  • James Wilson
  • Andrew Whitelaw
  • James Sharp
  • James Paton
  • Daniel Bruce
  • Gilbert Rankin
  • James McMillan
  • John Walker - to Grimsby Town, Daniel Paton - to Aston Villa
  •  
  • William Murray, John (Mc)Nichol, Newton, John Baird - back from Aston Vila , Paterson, (W. or A) Graham, Gilles, McLaren, Allan, Cormack (Carnock), McLeod (Dumbarton), Mckenzie & Pollock (Clyde), John Cowan                                                                                                                                                           

_________________________________________

  • John Gow - to Blackburn Rovers
  • Duncan McLean - to Everton
  • George Campbell - to Aston Villa
  • James Brown - to Aston Villa
  • Harry Gardiner - to Bolton
  • Duncan McNair - Middlesbrough Ir.
  • John McNee - to Bolton
  • John Cameron - to Stoke
  • John Duncan - to Notts Forest
  • Willie McArthur - to Sunderland Albion
  • George Davie - to Arsenal
  • James McCall
  • (Alex) Currie - Iron Moulder, who moved to Greenock
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  • Carlyle, MacAdam, Hendry, Mathieson, John McIntyre, J. Burleigh, James McBride - from Renton Wanderers, Joe Lindsay - from Dumbarton, Daniel Devine, Murray, Mackay, Harvie, (James, John or Joe) Brady, Abraham, James Kelso

From October 1890 Renton expelled from SFA and then resigned from the League. Matter went to court. Six months out. April 1891 Renton reinstated in SFA

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  • Caldwell
  • Ken(l)ski(e)n
  • Darroch
  • McKenzie
  • Balfour
  • Graham
  • (Mc)Courtney
  • Rice
  • McAusland
  • Gillies
  • Mills

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              

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  • Andrew Whitelaw - to Notts Co.
  • James Sharp - to PNE
  • John Baird - to Aston Villa
  • James Wilson
  • William Murray
  • (John) Corma(i)ck (Cornoch(k))
  • McLeod
  • Gilbert Rankin
  • John Cowan
  • Buchanan
  • Daniel Bruce
  • James McMillan - to Everton, (Neill) McCallum - to Notts. F.
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  • (Jack) Bell - from Dumbarton?, Rice, W(alter) Bruce, Turnbull, McGregor, Mackenzie, Raeside, W. Graham, A. Graham, McIntyre, Paterson, (John) Gallagher (Gallacher), (John) Docherty, W. Smith, G (J.) Sharp, (D). Sharp, McAdam, James M(a)cAdam, Reid, John McNichol, Thomas Graham, Mills, Malcolm McVean to Liverpool, Johnny Darroch                                                                                                                              

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  • Joe Lindsay
  • Andrew Hannah - to Liverpool
  • Archie McCall
  • Devine
  • (Robert) Allison
  • James McBride - to Liverpool
  • Mathieson
  • Murray
  • John Cowan
  • James McCall
  • (James , John or Joe) Brady  

                                                                Thomas Towie, Archie McQuilkie, Robert Glen, Billy Fraser, Brodie (Bradley), Fairlie (Fairley), McNeil, McKechnie, Abr(ah)am, Duncan, McBride, Gillard, Johnstone, James Kelso to Liverpool, John Lindsay, Carlyle, (John) Cameron                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                              

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  • James Wilson
  • Busby
  • (Thomas) Connoch (Cormack)(Cornock)
  • A. Paterson
  • David Tait
  • McAdam
  • John Cowan - to Renton
  • James Logan - from Ayr
  • Daniel Bruce - to Rangers
  • Paterson
  • McFarlane

Gilbert Rankin(e) - out of retirement?, (James) Henderson, Walter Bruce, John Galla(g)cher, Barr, Bob Robertson, J. Bain, Joe Hutchi(n)son, (Duncan), Kerr, (Murphy), George Fowler, Park, McFarlane, McNichol, Murray, James Fleming, Robertson, Mathieson, Clark, McLafferty, (T. Wilson), W. Smith, D. Sharp, John McNichol, Dan Friel, Johnny Darroch - to The Wednesday, W. Graham, D. Paton, Buchanan         

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  • Joe Lindsay
  • Haig
  • Archie McCall
  • Gilbert Rankin - to VofL
  • (Robert) Allison
  • Robert Glen - to The Wednesday
  • Mathieson
  • John Cowan - to Vale of Leven
  • McGregor
  • James McCall
  • Bell

Andrew Hannah - back to Liverpool, Murray, McKechnie, Archie McQuilkie (McQuigley) - to Arsenal, Dan Devine - to Arsenal, John Lindsay, Thomas Towie - to Arsenal, Celtic, Derby County, George Davie, Robert McDermid - from Lincoln, McLeod, David Tait, John Fleming, John McNee, Bell, Joe Brady - from Sheffield United, James Wilson?, Robert Duncan, Alick Barbour - back from Nottingham Forest, William White, (McGregor - from Methlan Park), Wilson, Henderson, Robert Glen, Taylor, Beattie, Mills/Milne, T. Wilson - from Levendale, Baird                                                                                                                                  

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  • T. Wilson
  • Busby
  • Henderson
  • Gallocher
  • Tait
  • Hastie
  • McFarlane
  • Logan
  • Mills
  • Ritchie
  • Muir

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        

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  • Archie Graham
  • T. Graham
  • Daniel Paton
  • Cross
  • D. (Duncan) (Mc)Nichol
  • (Patrick Gallocher - from Accrington)
  • Walter Bruce
  • Crawford
  • Keir
  • W. McFarlane
  •  John (Mc)Nichol

Mills, Cowan - to PNE & AV, McLintock - out of retirement?, Haggerty, Row, T. Wilson, (William) McColl - from ???, Millar, T. (Mc)Nichol, McAslan, Duncan, P. McFarlane, (R.) Allison, A. Paterson, W. Graham, P. Graham, W. Gallacher, J. Nieal, Busbie, J. Wilson, McCallum, Logan                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

 

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  • Jack Pry(i)ce
  • John Murray
  • Jack McNee - to Newcastle Utd
  • Robert McDermid - from Lincoln, to Dundee Wanderers
  • James Kelso - from Liverpool
  • Jock Bell - to Wolves
  • Robert Allison
  • Archie McCall
  • Archie McQuilkie
  • Tom Wilson

David Tait, John Fleming, John Murray, James McCall, Robert Duncan, (George) Davie, Mathi(e)son, (Alick) Barbe(ou)r, Robert Glen, (William) White, Beattie, John McLean, David Gilfinnan, Ritchie

1893-94 Renton

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  • James Wilson
  • Duncan (Mc)Nichol - to Darwen
  • Busby
  • John (G) Gallagher
  • William McColl - to Renton
  • William Wilson
  • Logan
  • Gilbert Rankin(e)
  • Gillies
  • Paton
  • Walter Bruce

A. Paterson, Cross, W. Gallocher, Hastings, Docherty, Cust, Bruce, Bryan, McFarlane, McCallum, Smith,                                                                                                                                    

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  • Matthew Dickie
  • John Ritchie
  • Archie McCall
  • David Tait
  • William McColl
  • Robert Glen
  • John McLean
  • John Murray
  • Jack Pryce
  • David Gilfillan
  • Robert Duncan

George Davie - from Arsenal, William White - to Hearts, Robert Allison, Irving, Fairlie, Duncan Johnstone, Hart, Hollaran, James McCall,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

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  • Gilbert Rankin
  • Walter Bruce
  • Tom Wilson
  • Graham
  • Wicks
  • W. Gallocher
  • Paterson
  • Logan
  • J. Rankin
  • Alexander
  • McFarlane

John Ritchie - from Leicester Fosse, Newlands, Lindsay, Littlejohn, Docherty, Henderson, McKay, Paterson, A. Graham, G. Ritchie, J. Rankine, G. Rankin, Glashan, Littlejohn, J. Graham, Gilles

Vale returns to amateur status

 

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  • John Lindsay - from St. Bernard's
  • Beattie
  • Robert Glen - to Rangers
  • Hastings
  • Walter Bruce
  • Robert Duncan
  • John McLean - to Liverpool
  • John Murray - to Dundee
  • Kinloch
  • Robert Johnstone - from Dumbarton, to Sunderland
  • William McColl - broke leg

Matthew Dickie - to Rangers, John Ritchie - to Queen's Park, (James) John Fleming - Larkhall, Archie McCall - rtd., William White - to Hearts, (William Campbell - from Everton) or Peter Campbell, McKirdie, David Gilfillan - to Part. Th., Darwen, Duncan Johnston(e), John Pryce - to Hibernian, David Tait, Paterson, Ritchie Henderson, Dunning, McAllan, Forsyth, Thomas Towie - from Rossendale, James McCall

In Dec. 1895 Renton top of 2nd Div. but had played most games. Reached Cup semi-final, protest went to court. Win Dubartonshire Cup

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John Baird - from Leicester Fosse, John Ritchie -   to Queen's Park                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

 

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