Renton & The Vale - 
The Making, Remaking and Unmaking
(But the creation of the Scottish Game)
(with massive thanks to the incredible London Hearts Supporters Club archive)
In previous pieces on the SFHG web-site we have looked in greater depths at the history and, as it seems to turn out, the myths of not the foundations of modern football, because, contrary to some versions, it did not happen all in a one, but was "created" over thirty to a hundred years, depending on stand-point. Those looks, with huge thanks to the top-quality research done by our colleagues in that city, have included the great role Sheffield played not just through the formulation of its own version of the game but also that in the encouragement of the Association one at its London birth in 1863 and in its early, very rocky first half-dozen years. Also there have been the challenges to Sheffield's role after and even to the idea that Association football began as a game of the Public Schools and upper-classes. In the former case, as the Association game began to prosper, not least with the arrival of it in Scotland, the Yorkshire city's game first imploded, probably due to local politics and mismanagement, and over the best part of two decades struggled as it gradually merged it own take on kicking a specifically round ball into that of the London-based one. In the latter the facts seem to show that the Football Association in London was begun by well-to-do members of the upper middle-class, most of whom having not been anywhere near Eton etc. and was then infiltrated and usurped by the Public schools to subsequently and falsely claimed as their own.
But there is a third area of football myth to challenge, that of the creations of Scottish football and more particularly the way that Scotland took to the game and then carried it forward with one team, Glasgow's Queen's Park, presented as both the Standard-Bearer and standard-maker, when there were two more both from the Vale of Leven, the valley of the Dunbartonshire River Leven so outwith Glasgow; they being Vale of Leven, F.C., "The Vale", from the parish of Bonhill and the town Alexandria and from the parish of Cardross and the village of Renton, Renton F.C.. And, whilst we will here look, because it is formulaic, at the role of the Glasgow former, it is on the Leven latter that this piece concentrates.
And the story begins not in late but early 1872. In March Queen's Park, having received byes to the semi-final of the first London FA Challenge Cup, the FA Cup, travelled to London to face The Wanderers. The result was a draw and, with the visitors unable to finance travel to the replay, the visitors had to default. But the one meeting that did take place tells us several things. The first is that, in order to take part Queen's Park accepted two things, that Association football was a winter game and the London rather than its own version. The second is that two facts emerged, a) we know the team - Gardner, Edmiston, Hepburn, Ker, Leckie, J Smith, R. Smith, Taylor, Walker, Weir and Wotherspoon - and b) just now we do not know the formation.
We also know that, whilst the internationals between England-Scotland, now designated as unofficial, all of which had taken place also in London, the first in March 1870 and last just a month earlier had had not inconsiderable Press-attention, this club match generated still more but actually not much on-field activity. A month later a single match was played against Granville, newly officially-formed just up a few hundred yards up the road at Myrtle Park. It too was a nil-nil draw
In fact the next game was not to be until 28th August and the one after that on 19th October, against Airdrie, an emphatic 6-0 win, and Granville once more, again a win 4-0. But there was a difference. In both cases we have the teams - Gardner, Wotherspoon, Taylor, Thomson, McKenzie, Leckie, Weir, Ker, McKnnon, Rae and then Thomson, Taylor, Gardner, Hepburn, Lockie, Weir, Wotherspoon, Grant, Rhind, McKinnon and Rae respectively with captain, Robert Gardiner, in the first playing in goal and in the second as a half-back, but crucially we also have the formations. In the second match Queen's Park seems to have played, as was the case with English teams of the era, 1-2-7 but in the former it had been a completely innovative 2-2-6, the same shape that was to be employed, in the last encounter of the year, played now in Glasgow and the World's first official international.
Now at this point we have to wind back slightly. At some point still in 1872 in the Summer or Autumn Queen's Park, as part of its programme of demonstrating specifically the Association game and creating opponents had travelled to the valley of the Dunbartonshire Leven, specifically the Park Neuk recreation-ground in Alexandria. No-one knows exactly when it was but Vale of Leven Football Club is said to have been formed on 20th August, suggesting it may have been then but also that it might have caused formational experimentation just a fortnight later.
And the reason may well be Scotland's ancient game of shinty, now finally beginning to achieve rightful recognition as an origin of ice-hockey and even golf. In the upper valley of the Leven, where the Orr Ewing brothers, Alexander and John, had in the 1830s founded their calico printing-works, employing often near-Highland labour, it had become the winter game. The first recorded shinty match between the two establishments had been in 1852. In 1870, so just two years before the visit of Queen's Park, 2,000 or so spectators are said to have come to the annual encounter. They and the young men on the field-of-play knew the game and its stands to reason that they would have approached the new game on the block with it mind It is even said that when they were invited to take the field to play against the Glasgow men they did so in shinty formation.
And, with, even today, shinty formations differing between the north and south Highlands two things stand out as being not just transferable but potentially one hundred and fifty years ago actually transferred to the football field. The first is the block-four defence, Gardner's what turned out to be a novelty, one he might already have been aware of, picked up from the shinty he must have seen or even played in Glasgow, his home-town, or Paisley, that of his parents, but with the possibility it had been noted for its effectiveness on Park Neuk and adopted. The second is the vertical forward pairings.
Here the use of the word novelty should be noted because on the 21st December 1872 The Vale came Queen's Park for the first of four encounters over the rest of the 1872-3 season. We know the team - William Ker, Joe Taylor, David Wotherspoon, James Thomson, Jimmy Weir, Bob Leckie, Alex Rhind, Willie Mackinnon, Andrew Spiers, William Keay and Archie Rae - and that Queen's Park would win easily, 3-0 but no formation. However, that would not be the case for the remaining three and here is the crux. Queen's Park, with Gardner back in the elevens as twice goalkeeper and then a forward, played 1-2-7 again twice and then 2-1-7. Yet their opponents took the field on all three occasions as a 2-2-6 either because they were either very good and fast learners or because, it has to be said once more, it was what they already knew and wanted to carry forward
In fact Queen's Park was after the third Vale match, two draws and a Queen's Park win, The Spiders would play just one more fixture, a home win, 1-0, over Glasgow Wanderers from just down the road in Cathcart and it seems also to have been the last one for the club for Bob Gardner. There was clearly a falling out, whether generated at the club or perhaps by international defeat in London, where England played 1-1-2-6 and Scotland 2-2-6 once more, is unknown. But by October 1873 Wotherspoon had moved the mile or so across to Clydesdale, to be joined later by Gardner himself. And by then the Titwood Park club had also adopted 2-2-6, as had Granville, Vale continued with it and another and still newer club had too. It was Renton.
Whilst Renton F.C. was clearly not in the very first wave of Scotland's football clubs (it had not been a founder member of the SFA) and its actual foundation-date is un-known it was one of the entries seven month's later into the first Scottish Cup. Moreover, at that initial attempt it would reach the Quarter-Final, losing only to Queen's Park, the eventual title winners, 2-0. Furthermore it would do it with a team that we know in detail (see below), one which included, for later reference, a Melville and remained largely unchanged when the club would the following year go all the way to the final, held at the first Hampden Park and won by the home team once more, this time 3-0.
But here again there is something else that is, if anything, more worthy of notice. In that December 1873 encounter with Queen's Park both teams lined up as notionally 2-2-6 but in a contemporary accout more detail of Renton's positioning was given. Alex McKay and John Kennedy were the full-backs, McCrimmond and Campbell the half-backs. But in front of them were three half-forwards and beyond them three forwards. In other words there were firstly three pairs and secondly they were not horizontal across the pitch but vertical. But still more to the point, like the block-four defence, the term half-forward is comes straight from Southern shinty with full-forwards in front of them. In other words Renton was observed as a first playing football using an almost Camanachd formation that retained the full-centre, adding another but was less the two wing-centres.
Moreover, it clearly worked, with more to come, and can be seen to have been adopted by other teams even if Queen's Park proved to be one of the tardiest. The earliest reporting of it at by then the First Hampden would be in 1875 versus The Wanderers once more and this time with both Arthur Kinnaird and Charles Alcock in the line-up. Lawrie, in front, and Weir would be on the right, McKinnon and Herriot in the middle and the McNeill brothers, Harry and Moses, on the left. Queens at home won 5-0.
At this point Queen's Park had never been defeated but that was to change and it would The Wanderers, which were first to make it happen. In the follow-up friendly four months later in February 1876 they back in London would be victorious by 2-0 but then Queen's Park, playing essentially with ten men, had something of an off-day, rectified with a 6-0 win away against the same opposition in November that same year. However, that was to be just seven weeks before invincibility in Scotland also came to an end. It happened on 30th December in the Scottish Cup and at the hands of Vale of Leven It had, after the Ferguson affair had essentially eliminated it from the first two Scottish Cups, been building up a head of steam In its first year it had gathered a pool of twenty-four or so players that was then reduced over three seasons to a squad of sixteen to twenty, Ferguson included, which essentially knew each other's game. They were drawn from the same calico works that had previously supplied the shinty players In fact, a number of them were also accomplished at the game. And they constituted the World's first consistently successful working class club. Renton had had its moment but, having just eliminated Scotland's previously unvanquished doyen, The Vale would not only take that Scottish Cup that year and but for two more consecutively after that and in 1878 in beating the English FA Cup holders, The Wanderers once more, be de facto the best club in the World.
Meantime, a mile and a half down the road Renton too looked like it was prospering. Whilst in 1875-76 it had been knocked out of the Scottish Cup in just the second round by The Vale it too had an established group of players was building. Although it would in 1876-77 be eliminated in round one by Dumbarton, in 1877-8 it would make it to the semi-finals and only lose to Third Lanark on a replay. But the following year, as it moved to its first purposed-built ground, Tontine Park, it would only be second round and in 1879-80 third, on both occasions its nemesis Dumbarton once more.
However, on this final defeat for the first time there is no mention the members of the team involved and from then on no mention of any more games played, friendlies or otherwise. The club simply seems to have disappeared to the extend that the following season, whilst it was officially an entrant in the Scottish Cup it allowed a first-round walk-over. Indeed during the 1881-82 season it is said to have even resigned from the Scottish Football Association entirely.
There is no obvious explanation for this turn of events, although there might perhaps be a somewhat tortuous one.
Indeed, so effective did it prove that it was to remain in use as the specific Scottish system more or less for sixty years with the square becoming a trapezium as wide full-backs and narrower half-backs facilitated the former marking the opposing wingers and the latter the inside-forwards. A quote from Jimmy Mullen after the 1928 Wembley Wizards' victory and Scotland's captain that day explains it best,
"I want to emphasise that all our forwards are inherently clever. ... But I wish to say that the English tactics were wrong. The Saxon wing-halves paid more attention to the wingers than the inside forwards – therefore the latter were given a lot of space. It is a common thing in England to let wing halves, and not fullbacks, mark the wingers. It doesn’t pay and I don’t know why they pursue it."
And the latter was one that from contemporary match-reports can be seen over the 1870s and supplemented by a centre-forward- pairing to supersede the horizontal pairings that as a six had themselves replaced the free-for-all, seven-man forward line of the early English game.
But as well as shinty on-field there had also been off-field. From the formation of Renton F.C. the Chairman/President/Patron had been Alexander Wylie, the manager/owner of the village's Dalquhurn Works. It had been his mother's brother, Graham Kinloch, who had built the Ferryfield works in Alexandria. Then in 1843 , John Wylie, Alexander's father, had brought the Turkey Red dyeing process to the area. He himself had trained with the Orr Ewings in Alexandria and moved to William Shirley and Sons in Renton in 1874, just as the football club took off, and was part of a consortium that bought the works outright in 1878. However, from 1880 he must have been somewhat distracted from football by initially a happy and then a sad event. The first at the start of the decade was at forty his marriage, his wife Annie Mylrea. They were to live at Dalquhurn Cottage in Renton, he listed as employing six hundred and seven men, seven hundred and eighty-four women, two hundred and seventy boys and two hundred and fifty-one girls, almost 2,000 in total. But at just twenty-seven in November 1883 at nearby Cordale House, built by the Stirlings, Annie died with Alexander never remarrying.
And it was about this same time that the Renton football club's fortunes started to pick up with reapplication to the SFA having taken place at the beginning of the 1882-3 season albeit just now with Andrew Hannah the only known player but perhaps hints of a further source of revival. In 1882 the two McIntyre brothers, Andrew and James, were known to have been playing for The Vale. Andrew, the elder by four years, already a Scottish international and three-time winner of the Cup Final would, by then at twenty-eight, be in The Vale team that would on a replay lose the 1883 one to Dumbarton. But, whilst he came from Alexandria, he would spend most of his working-life as an engineer in Renton at Wylie's Dalquhurn Works, even living in Renton itself later in life. It is therefore not beyond possibility that he was asked by Wylie himself to become involved in the local club. Certainly again in 1883 both brothers appear also to be turning out for Renton, Andrew probably was there in 1884 and James in 1885 as a new and substantial group of young talent with Hannah began to be formed around them. By 1883-4 John Lindsay, the McCall half-brothers, Archie and the younger James, his mother a Melville, Donald McKechnie and Alick Barbour were all in the first-team and James Kelly was on the fringes. This as Vale of Leven's team had begun to be tapped from Down South, specifically Lancashire, for its talent. In 1882-3 the first, uncapped Dan Friel, at twenty-two had been signed by Accrington before the next season moving to Burnley for six campaigns. And there at Turf Moor for 1883-4 he would joined by Sandy McLintock, at the age of already at thirty and three times a Scottish international, for a single campaign.
Known Renton, Renton Thistle and Vale of Leven Teams
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1872-3
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- Cunningham
 - Wylie
 - Fergus
 - Ferguson
 - MacDermid
 - Moodie
 - Graham
 - McKechnie
 - MacDonald
 - Lang
 - Edmunds
 
1872-3 - Jamestown
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- Robert Parlane
 - Archie Michie
 - J. M. Campbell
 - James White
 - John C. McGregor
 - George McGregor
 - Robert Lindsay
 - Robert Jardine
 - J. McNichol
 - John Ferguson
 - J. Campbell
 
McLay, Ewing, Bryan, Sandy McLintock, Wright, (Robert) Paton, Partington, Colquhoun, Duncan Cameron, D. MacFarlane, Matthew Nicholson, Charles Glen, William Kinloch
1872-3 Vale of Leven
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- R. Turnbull
 - John Kennedy
 - Alex. Mackay
 - W. Campbell
 - A. Strachan
 - Brown
 - John McCrae
 - L. Brown
 - J. Melville
 - Alexander Glen
 - F. Kennedy
 
D. McCrimmond, T. Kennedy, John Dunwoodie, N (M). Campbell, D. Kennedy, G. Melvi(lle)n, A. Glen, J. McRain
1873-4 Renton
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- Robert Parlane
 - Archie Michie
 - P. Paton
 - D. McFarlane
 - A. Mcintoal(McIntyre)
 - W. MacDonald
 - M. McGregor
 - George McGregor
 - Duncan Cameron
 - J. McGowan
 - Robert Lindsay
 
John Ferguson, J. M. Campbell, T. Wood, J. McNichol, Sandy McLintock, John McGregor, John McInlay, James Williamson, (A.) McEwan
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- Turnbull
 - Mackay
 - J. Kennedy
 - Scallion
 - McGregor
 - (Mc)Rae
 - Melville
 - J. Brown
 - M. Kennedy
 - Alexander Glen
 - L. Brown
 
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- William McLennan
 - P. McKinlay
 - P. Docherty
 - J. M'Nichol
 - A. M'Kinley
 - R. Milne
 - H. Irvine
 - J.McAllister
 - P. McAllister
 - John McDougall
 - George Smith
 
James Peters, James McDougall [John Forbes, A. McEwan, J. McPherson and J. McNichol playing for Star of Leven.]
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- Robert Parlane
 - Archie Michie
 - A(ndrew). McIntyre
 - J. M. McIntyre
 - James Baird
 - (Charles) Glen
 - Partington
 - Robert Paton
 - McDougall
 - B. Russell
 - John Baird
 
John Ferguson, Sandy McLintock, Robert Lindsay, (John or James) McDougall, McGregor
In Cup have to allow walk-over to Clydesdale. John and also a James McDougall playing for Glasgow-based Vale of Leven Rovers.
1874- 5 Vale of Leven
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- Turnbull
 - McKay
 - Kennedy
 - Scallion
 - Jenkins
 - L. Brown
 - Kennedy
 - J. Brown
 - Glen
 - Melvin
 - McRae
 
Joyce, Miller, Nelson, McCrimmon
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- McCrimmon
 - Grant
 - P. McGregor
 - Davidson
 - Cameron
 - Burnholme
 - (McIn)Tyre
 - Grant
 - J. McGregor
 - McRae
 - Ritchie
 
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- (William) Wood
 - (Will) Jamieson
 - A. McIntyre
 - (James) McIntyre
 - Sandy McLintock
 - (John or James) McDougall
 - John Campbell Baird
 - James Baird
 - McGregor
 - (Robert) Paton
 - (John) Ferguson
 
Lamont, (Robert) Lindsay
1875-6 Vale of Leven
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- W. Kennedy
 - Grant
 - Turnbull
 - McArthur
 - M. Kennedy
 - Miller
 - McRae
 - McCrimmon
 - Burnham
 - Grant
 - (James)(John) McIntyre
 
1876-7 Renton
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- White
 - McPherson
 - McLeish
 - Jones
 - McEwan
 - McFarlane
 - McLean
 - Strachan
 - Russell
 - Burns
 - Lamont
 
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- William Wood
 - Andrew McIntyre
 - Archie Michie
 - Will Jamieson
 - Sandy McLintock
 - John Ferguson
 - John McGregor
 - David Lindsay
 - Robert Paton
 - John McDougall
 - John Baird
 
John McPherson, Robert Parlane, James McIntyre, John McFarlane, James Baird, Jones, May
1876-7 Vale of Leven
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- Kennedy
 - Grant
 - McKay
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 - McArthur
 - Miller
 - McRae
 - Burns
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 - McCrimmon
 - McAllister
 
Colquhoun, McLearie, (Denton), Grant, Loy, Fagans, Davidson, Fraser, McIntyre
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1877-8
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- Robert Parlane
 - Andrew McIntyre
 - James McIntyre
 - John McPherson
 - Will Jamieson
 - John Ferguson
 - Robert Paton
 - John McDougall
 - James Baird
 - John Campbell Baird
 - Johnny McFarlane
 
Sandy McLintock, John Baird, Strathearn John McGregor, May, Jones, George McGregor
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- McIntyre
 - W. Grant
 - McArthur
 - Colquhoun
 - McLearie
 - Burman
 - McCrimmon
 - Fagan(s)
 - A. Grant
 - McRae
 - Loy
 
McKinnon, Kennedy, Cameron Tontine Park opened
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- Woodroe
 - Moir
 - Collins
 - R. Sharp
 - W. Sharp
 - Brown
 - More
 - McIntyre
 - McCulloch
 - Lindsay
 - Stewart
 
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- Robert Parlane
 - Andrew McIntyre
 - Sandy McLintock
 - Will Jamieson
 - John McPherson
 - John Campbell Baird
 - John McDougall
 - James Baird
 - John McGregor
 - John McFarlane
 - John Ferguson
 
Robert Paton, W. Strathearn, H. McLeish, J. McIntyre, Paton, P. Logan, T. Taylor, W. Taylor, J. Stewart, J. Murie
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 - Renton, team unknown, knocked out of Scottish Cup on 1st Nov. by Dumbarton, 5-0. Not one game reported on after that date.
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- Cunningham
 - Hendry
 - Collins
 - Coubrough
 - Sharp
 - Cranmer
 - McCulloch
 - Brown
 - Stewart
 - Graham
 - McIntyre
 
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- Robert Parlane
 - Andrew McIntyre
 - W. Strathearn
 - John McPherson
 - James McIntyre
 - John Ferguson
 - John McFarlane
 - James Baird
 - William Taylor
 - John McDougall
 - M. Gilles
 
Will Jamieson, John Forbes, G. Cranmer, Cranbury, (Mc)Rae, D. Findlay, D. McLean, Sandy McLintock, J. Brown, A. McLeish, Cunningham, Paton, McGregor, John Baird
- Shinty - GCSC
 
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 - Renton played Vale of Leven in Scottish Cup at home on 2nd October and lost 1-0. It was the only mention in the press found for that year. No team given.
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 - Shinty - GCSC
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- Robert Parlane
 - W. Strathearn
 - Sandy McLintock
 - James McIntyre
 - Andrew McIntyre
 - John McPherson
 - Peter Logan
 - John Campbell Baird
 - James Baird
 - Robert Paton
 - John McFarlane
 
John Ferguson, John Forbes, R. Murie, H. McLeish, D. Lindsay, D. McLean, John McGregor, W. Taylor, J. Cranmer, M. Gillies, Cunningham/Cumming, J. McRae, C. McRae, Kerr, Wilson, McLaren, Chapman, Walker
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 - Allowed a walk-over to Jamestown on 10th September in first round of the Scotttish Cup.
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 - Shinty - GCSC
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 - Left SFA
 
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- A. Sharp
 - J. Millar
 - W. Collins
 - T. Hendry
 - J. MacFadyean
 - D. McLean
 - J. Brown
 - H. McCulloch
 - William Mann
 - A. McCrimmond
 - D. McIntyre
 
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- Sandy McLintock
 - William Struthers
 - John Forbes
 - J. Abraham
 - John McPherson
 - (Robert) McRae
 - Dan Friel
 - John McFarlane
 - James Brown
 - Peter Logan
 - D. Kennedy
 
Andrew McIntyre, John Miller, J. Wilson, W. B. Johnstone, Kennedy, M. Gillies, Kerr, W. Strathern (Strachan), J/G.Cranmer, Cumming, McNee, Gillies, C. McRae, J. McCrae, McLeish
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- Re-joined SFA
 - Andrew Hannah - from Renton Wanderers
 - David Hannah - from Renton Thistle
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- Cunningham
 - Collins
 - Miller
 - Wilson
 - Hendry
 - Sharp
 - Weir
 - McIntyre
 - McGregor
 - McCulloch
 - Muir
 
1882-83 Jamestown
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- Sandy McLintock
 - Andrew McIntyre
 - John Forbes
 - John McPherson
 - A. McLeish
 - John McFarlane
 - (D.) Kennedy
 - M. Gilles
 - Robert McRae
 - W. B. Johnstone
 - Dan Friel - to Accrington
 
Peter Logan, D. McIntyre, W. Strathearn, James Brown, A. Kennedy, James Wilson, A. McLellan, Lindsay, McCulloch
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- John Lindsay
 - Archie McCall
 - Andrew Hannah
 - Bob Kelso
 - Donald McKechnie
 - James McCall
 - Alick Barbour
 - John M(H)all
 - Joseph Thomson
 - John McIntyre
 - Alex McIntyre
 
James Kelly, J. (Mc)(O)Neil(Nee), Stewart, William McColl, Allison, Watson, David Hannah
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- James Wilson
 - John Forbes
 - Andrew McIntyre
 - John McPherson
 - Sandy McLintock - to Burnley
 - Peter Logan
 - Robert McRae
 - D. Kennedy
 - D. McIntyre
 - W. B. Johnston(e)
 - M. D. Gillies
 
John McFarlane, A. McLeish, Cramner, W. Strathearn, James Brown, Abraham, Gilles, McCulloch, McLean, Cumming, Sinclair, McBrayne, J. Galloway, McLellan, Kerr Campbell, Graham, Roxburgh, Tait
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- John Lindsay
 - Archie McCall
 - Andrew Hannah
 - Bob Kelso
 - Donald McKechnie
 - James McCall
 - Alick Barbour
 - James Kelly
 - Alex Grant
 - Joseph Thomson
 - Alex McIntyre
 
Allison, David Hannah, Burton, Baxter, John McNee
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- J. McCallum
 - W. Collins
 - A. Whitelaw
 - T. Sharp
 - William Wilson
 - A. Roxbrough
 - William McColl
 - R. Sharp
 - C. McLaren
 - A. McLaren
 - T. Hendry
 
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- James Wilson
 - Andrew McIntyre
 - John Forbes
 - J. Abraham
 - R. Wilson
 - J. Galloway
 - David McIntyre
 - John Ferguson
 - W. H(B). Johnston(e)
 - M. D. Gillies
 - D. Kennedy
 
John McPherson, John McFarlane, J. McLeish, Coleman, A. Kerr, J. Davie, Reid, James Brown, McBrian, McNaught, Murray, Sinclair, Whitelaw
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- John Lindsay
 - Archie McCall
 - Andrew Hannah
 - Bob Kelso
 - Donald McKechnie
 - James McCall
 - Alick Barbour
 - James Kelly
 - Alex Grant
 - John McIntyre
 - Joseph Thomson
 
Alex McIntyre, David Hannah,, John Campbell, Neill McCallum, John McNee, McLaren, Ralston, Daniel Grant, Watt
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- McCallum
 - McLean
 - Buchanan
 - McLeod
 - Tom McLean
 - T. McLeod
 - Brodie
 - Robb
 - Reid
 - Reid
 - Neil
 
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- James Wilson
 - Andrew Whitelaw
 - John Forbes
 - W(R). Wilson
 - John Murray
 - McLeod
 - William McColl
 - D. McIntyre
 - (Mc)Nichol
 - Coleman
 - M. D. Gilles
 
T. Nicholl, A. Nicholl, Lewis Brodie, G. Willis, McNeill, Robb, Campbell, Watt, Brown, Robert McRae - to Burnley, Abraham, Davie, Sinclair, Reid, Muir
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- John Lindsay
 - Archie McCall
 - Andrew Hannah
 - Bob Kelso
 - Donald McKechnie
 - Alick Barbour - to Bolton
 - Neill McCallum
 - John Campbell
 - James McCall
 - John McNee
 - Harry Campbell
 
James Cowan, A. McDermid, Robert McDermid, H. Campbell, James Kelly, David Hannan, Alex McIntyre, George Davie, Allison, J. McIntyre, J.C. Nicholson
First pavilion opened, grandstand followed
1886-87 Renton
1886-7 Renton 2nd XI: W.Jardine, F. Shaw, J. McAdam, T.Allison, A.P. Mackay, J.B. Brodie, P. McCallum, R.A. McCall, D. or P. Campbell, J.C. Nicholson                                                                                              
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- White
 - Busby
 - Kemp
 - Harrison
 - Cormick
 - Bruce
 - Campbell
 - McGregor
 - McMillan
 - Warnock
 - Muir
 
1886-7 - Bonhill
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- Stevenson
 - Cranmer
 - Roxburgh
 - McLaren
 - Hendry
 - Munro
 - McLaren
 - Lavel
 - McCulloch
 - Curran
 - Paul
 
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- James Wilson
 - Andrew Whitelaw
 - John Forbes
 - (William) Wilson
 - (John) McNichol
 - John Murray
 - McLeod
 - William McColl - to Morton
 - James McLaren
 - M. D. Gilles
 - Coleman
 
James Coyne, D. McNee, Graham, McLeod (2), Tom McLean, Nichol, G. Davie, Brodie, D. Kennedy, T. McNichol, Merry (Murray), (T.) Sharp
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- John Lindsay
 - Archie McCall
 - Andrew Hannah - to West Bromwich
 - Bob Kelso
 - James Kelly - to Celtic
 - Donald McKechnie
 - Neill McCallum - to Celtic
 - Harry Campbell
 - John Campbell
 - James McCall
 - John McNee
 
John Harvey(ie), H. Duncan, McRae, George Campbell, Nicholson, (James) Brown, Frank Dyer, - to Bolton, P. Jardine, David Hannah, A. McDermid, Patrick Gordon, George Davie - to Everton, William Brady - to Burnley
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- T. McLeod
 - L. Glass
 - J. Davie
 - R. McLeod
 - J. Ferguson
 - R. Crawford
 - T. McLeod
 - A. McLeod
 - N. Blair
 - D. Kennedy
 - L. Brodie
 
J. Reid, J.Buchanan, M. McLean, Nichol, McGregor, F. McLeod
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- James Wilson
 - Andrew Whitelaw
 - John Forbes - to Blackburn
 - Gilbert Rankin
 - Tom McLean - to Notts Co.
 - John Murray
 - James McLachlan
 - D. McIntyre
 - James Cowan
 - Graham
 - James McLaren John Baird, Paterson, Gow, Currie, McMillan, Graham, McCallum, Gilles, Osborne, McLaughlan, McGregor, Bruce, Coleman, McIntyre, Daniel (Patten)Paton, James Coyne - to Everton
 
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- John Lindsay - to Accrington
 - Archie McCall
 - Andrew Hannah - to Everton
 - George Campbell
 - Harry Gardiner
 - James Brown
 - John Harvey
 - Harry Campbell - to Blackburn
 - John Campbell
 - James McCall
 - John McNee to Bolton Wanderers
 
A. McKay, James Kelso, David Hannah, McDiarmid, A. O'Neill, Patrick Gordon, Davie, Frank Dyer - from Bolton to replace Kelly, to Vale of Leven
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- John Gow
 - Andrew Whitelaw
 - John Murray
 - John Baird - to Aston Villa
 - James Cowan - to Warwick County & Aston Villa
 - Collins
 - James McLachlan
 - Campbell - from Bonhill
 - Daniel Paton
 - James McMillan
 - McIntyre
 
John Walker, Gilbert Rankin, Daniel Bruce, Archie Osborne, John Forbes, Frank Dyer - to Warwick County, William Murray, McLeod, James Cowan, (Lewis) Brodie
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- Johnny Darroch
 - Duncan McLean - from Renton Union
 - James Kelso
 - John Harvey - to Sunderland
 - David Hannah - to Sunderland and Liverpool
 - Patrick Gordon - to Everton
 - Harry Gardiner - to Bolton Wanderers
 - John Campbell - to Sunderland
 - George Campbell - to Aston Villa
 - Billy Fraser - to Stoke
 - James Brown - to Aston Villa
 
Robert McDermid - to Accrington
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- James Wilson
 - Andrew Whitelaw
 - John Murray - to Sunderland
 - Alex Paton - to West Manchester
 - Archie Osborne - to Notts County
 - James Sharp
 - James McLachlan - to Derby Co.
 - J. Paton
 - Daniel Bruce
 - Gilbert Rankin
 - James McMillan
 
John Walker - to Grimsby Town, Daniel Paton - to Aston Villa, William Murray John McNichol
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- John Gow
 - Duncan McLean - to Everton
 - George Campbell - to Aston Villa
 - James Brown - to Aston Villa
 - Harry Gardiner - to Bolton
 - Duncan McNair - Middlesbrough Ir.
 - James McCall
 - Currie
 - John McNee - to Bolton
 - John Cameron - to Stoke
 - John Duncan - to Notts Forest
 
Carlyle, MacAdam, Hendry, Mathieson, John McIntyre, Willie McArthur - to Sunderland Albion, George Davie - to Arsenal, J. Burleigh, James McBride - from Renton Wanderers, James Kelso
October 1890 Renton expelled from SFA and then resign from the League. Matter gone to court. April 1891 Renton reinstated in SFA
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- James Wilson
 - Andrew Whitelaw - to Notts Co.
 - James Sharp - to PNE
 - William Murray
 - Jhn Corma(i)ck (Cornoch(k))
 - McLeod
 - John Baird - to Aston Villa
 - Gilbert Rankin
 - John Cowan
 - Buchanan
 - Daniel Bruce
 
James McMillan - to Everton, (Neill) McCallum - to Notts. F.,(Jack) Bell, Rice, W(alter) Bruce, McGregor, Mackenzie, W. Graham, A. Graham, McIntyre, Paterson, (John) Gallagher, (John) Docherty, Smith, G. Sharp, James M(a)cAdam, Reid, John McNichol, T. Graham, Mills, Malcolm McVean to Liverpool, Johnny Darroch
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- Joe Lindsay - from Dumbarton
 - Andrew Hannah - to Liverpool
 - Archie McCall
 - Devine
 - Allison
 - James McBride - to Liverpool
 - Mathieson
 - John Murray
 - John Cowan
 - J. McCall
 - Alex Brady
 
Thomas Towie - to Celtic, Derby County, Robert Glen, Billy Fraser, James Kelso to Liverpool
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- James Wilson
 - Busby
 - Connock (Cormack)(Cornock)
 - Paterson
 - David Tait
 - McAdam
 - John Cowan
 - James Logan - from Ayr
 - Daniel Bruce - to Rangers
 - Paterson
 - McFarlane
 
Gilbert Rankin, (James) Henderson, Walter Bruce, John Galla(g)cher, Bob Robertson, Joe Hutchinson, (Duncan) McNichol, Kerr, James Fleming, McLafferty,, John McNichol, Dan Friel, Johnny Darroch - to The Wednesday
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- Joe Lindsay
 - Haig
 - Archie McCall
 - Gilbert Rankin - to VofL
 - Allison
 - Robert Glen - to The Wednesday
 - Mathieson
 - John Cowan - to PNE
 - McGregor
 - James McCall
 - Ball
 
Andrew Hannah - to Liverpool
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- George Davie
 - Robert McDermid - from Lincoln
 - David Tait
 - John Fleming
 - John McNee
 - Jock Bell
 - Joe Brady - to Sheffield United
 - James Wilson
 - John Murray,
 - John Lindsay
 - Robert Duncan
 
Barbour - from Nottingham Forest, William White
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- A. Graham
 - T. Graham
 - Daniel Paton
 - Cross
 - (Duncan) McNichol
 - Patrick Gallocher - from Accrington
 - Walter Bruce
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- Jack Pryce
 - John Murray
 - Jack McNee - to Newcastle Utd
 - Robert McDermid - from Lincoln, to Dundee Wanderers
 - James Kelso - from Liverpool
 - Jock Bell - to Wolves
 - Robert Allison
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1893-94 Renton
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- James Wilson
 - Duncan (Mc)Nichol - to Darwen
 - Busby
 - John Gallagher
 - William McColl - to Renton
 - William Wilson
 - Logan
 - Gilbert Rankin
 - Gillies
 - Paton
 - Walter Bruce
 
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- Matthew Dickie
 - John Ritchie
 - Archie McCall
 - David Tait
 - William McColl
 - Robert Glen
 - John McLean
 - John Murray
 - Jack Pryce
 - David Gilfillan
 - Robert Duncan
 
George Davie - from Arsenal, William White - to Hearts, Robert Allison, Duncan Johnstone, James McCall
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- Gilbert Rankin
 - Walter Bruce
 - John Ritchie - from Leicester Fosse
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 - N/A
 - N/A
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 - N/A
 - N/A
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- John Lindsay - from St. Bernard's
 - Beattie
 - Robert Glen - to Rangers
 - Hastings
 - Walter Bruce
 - Robert Duncan
 - John McLean - to Liverpool
 - John Murray - to Dundee
 - Kinloch
 - Robert Johnstone - from Dumbarton
 - Coll
 
Jack Pryce - to Hibernian
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- Matthew Dickie - to Rangers
 - John Ritchie - to Queen's Park
 - (James) John Fleming - Larkhall
 - Archie McCall -
 - William White - to Hearts
 - William Campbell - from Everton
 - David Gilfillan - to Part. Th., Darwen
 - Duncan Johnstone
 - John Pryce - to Hibernian
 - David Tait
 - Robert Johnstone - to Sunderland
 
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- John Baird - from Leicester Fosse
 - John Ritchie to Queen's Park
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